Clinton Attacks Again

[Reality]

Originally Posted by George Foreman

She betta not run in 2008 or I might end up having to vote republican. I hope either Colin Powell and Barack Obama run for president though. Cause if that's the case we'll either have the first black president or the first independant.

I personally am going to vote for who ever is the lesser evil. Not over color or political party. And I mean this is no offense to you what so ever, but you should never vote for someone just because they are black, white, man or women. There is no real achievements for someone to be the first man, women, black, white president. We need someone who can do some good for a change. Getting someone in office just for their color or race wont do anything for anyone but division among the people.

[Bdork]

When it comes to middle aged cashiers, living in the biblebelt or any other morally righteous community they care if you pull that scam.

Joe he said everything. Does that answer your question?

[Sk8_or_DIE]

i saw that movie twice and i dont recall any peckers.. either that means i have a horrible memory.. or im stright.. ill go with the latter.

good movie though :cool guy:

[Joe Redifer]

No it does not answer my question. I guess I should not expect answers to direct questions when this forum does not have members who are capable of answering them.

[Sinful Sam]

The movie comes close to showing the guys penis at times but it never showed it nor a woman's vagina. No erections either. It just showed err... thrusting and plenty of women?s breast but not details of penetration.

[FinalSolace2]

i gotta agree with hilary, no kid below 16 should be allowed to play game with sexual content,

San andreas is a very gangster orientated game, kids arent very sexually mature mentaly at young ages and n then seeing their main character CJ fucking whore bitches for points DOES NOT send the right messege to kids.

[Zod]

Originally Posted by SavedFromSin

Link
This is retarded. Like it has been said so many times before, if they are worried about violence in american media then do not only attack videogames, but also the movie industry. Yet the reason they do not do that is because the movie stars pay the politicians during election times to fuel their campaigning.

I saw a report on it on the news. Retailers sold M-rated games to kids 7 out of 10 times, so the retailers are causing this mess.

[Nindalf]

Clockwork Orange sucked.

[Seska]

2001 put me to sleep. They should ban that movie too!

Anyway, I kinda agree with Hilary on this one. Selling GTA to 7-year olds when you cant sell 'em Jenna Jameson's Fuckfest Extreme, is a bit of a hipocrisy. Ok, maybe thats a bit extreme, but the comparison applies. Replace Jenna Jameson with Texas Chainsaw Massacre, if you like.

It is also likewise still possible for a parent or an older kid to walk in a store, buy an M or Adult-rated DVD and walk out to give it to a 10-year old, just as the same scenario scenario can apply to GTA or any other M rated game. I just think its a hipocrisy that the videogames industry is excempt from the same scrutiny the movie industry has.

I jsut say do it, pass the fucking bill, that way when the media points at GTA to blame for another shooting, we can all shrug and lay the blame on the parents who should have been watching what their kids play. Since we now have a bill that forbids sale of mature games to minors, SOMEONE must have gotten the kids that game, and the games industry can't be blamed for that.

[George Foreman]

Originally Posted by Reality

I personally am going to vote for who ever is the lesser evil. Not over color or political party. And I mean this is no offense to you what so ever, but you should never vote for someone just because they are black, white, man or women. There is no real achievements for someone to be the first man, women, black, white president. We need someone who can do some good for a change. Getting someone in office just for their color or race wont do anything for anyone but division among the people.

Well since I will be eighteen by the time the next election rolls around I probably will look more into the candidates. And I wouldn't have voted for someone just cause their black or a man. I normally base choices on what I have read or heard from the person. It's just that from what I have seen/read/heard about Hilary and Condaleeza they do not appear as someone who I'd want running the country and things that I have heard/read/seen about Obama ad Powell seem decent. Also are there any other posible candidates that could run?

[Reality]

Beats me if I know. I just turned old enough vote during the last election myself so I don't keep enough to care about anoyone until it's time to vote.

[Daniel4802]

Traditionally when I worked at Gamestop, the policy was as long as the person handing over the cash was at least the legal age and they were a guardian figure (parent or older sibling), it was legit. But I do agree with Savedfromsin, they would never touch the film industry because they lobby for candidates. You know, showing up on MTV to Rock the Vote or Oprah is like, really important...

Although I strongly disagree with Joe Lieberman on this issue, I still like the guy. He is one of the few moderate Democrats left who mean what they say and doesn't step infront of a press camera to bitch about his constituents on an hourly basis just to be a media whore. It is sad that when he ran for president, nobody paid much attention to him because moderates have a difficult time getting elected these days.

[Zod]

Originally Posted by Daniel4802

But I do agree with Savedfromsin, they would never touch the film industry because they lobby for candidates. You know, showing up on MTV to Rock the Vote or Oprah is like, really important...

On top of that, a lot of hollywood, including pornographers, donate money to liberal candidates, who in turn know better than to bite the hands that feed them.

Although I strongly disagree with Joe Lieberman on this issue, I still like the guy. He is one of the few moderate Democrats left who mean what they say and doesn't step infront of a press camera to bitch about his constituents on an hourly basis just to be a media whore. It is sad that when he ran for president, nobody paid much attention to him because moderates have a difficult time getting elected these days.

I see him as a crazed censorship-monger who has no clue about constitutional rights, and shouldn't be allowed to hold government office if he cannot respect people's rights. He also ran for vice-president. He lost because he ran with Gore, and because he couldn't cough up even a single recount out of a half-dozen to show Gore/Lieberman as the winners over Bush.

[SavedFromSin]

UPDATE:

Game industry reacts to Clinton, NIMF
With federal legislation on the way and a D-plus grade from a parent watchdog group, industry groups respond to critics.

Yesterday wasn't a stellar day for the game industry's public image. First, the National Institute on Media and the Family (NIMF) gave the industry a cumulative 10-year grade of D-plus, citing increases in sex and violence in games and a content ratings system "beyond repair." That was followed later in the day by US Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) announcing her intention to introduce federal legislation regulating the sale of violent games to minors. Game industry groups were predictably quick to respond.

Entertainment Software Association (ESA) president Douglas Lowenstein said the group "appreciates the fact that she has sought to draft a more thoughtful proposal" in a statement, but also said the ESA strongly opposes the bill, saying measures in place at the moment to keep inappropriate material out of children's hands are good enough.

"There is now a continuum of tools from the store to the home enabling parents to take charge of the video games their kids play," according to Lowenstein. "It is now up to them to do their jobs as they see fit, not up to government to do it for them."

Beyond that, Lowenstein said it would be unconstitutional, and not just for infringing on the creative rights of game developers. The fact that Clinton intends to base what is and isn't acceptable to sell to minors on the Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB) ratings system gives the industry more grounds to attack the bill's constitutionality, according to Lowenstein.

"While we are gratified that the Senator holds the ESRB in such high regard that her bill would give these ratings the force of law, the courts have made clear that giving a private party governmental powers is unconstitutional," Lowenstein wrote.

Clinton hasn't made her legislation public, and an ESA representative wouldn't comment on whether or not the organization was privy to the actual wording of what she will introduce.

In his response to Clinton, Interactive Entertainment Merchants Association (IEMA) president Hal Halpin didn't address specifics of the law so much as it defended the group's existing efforts to educate parents and keep inappropriate games out of minors' hands.

"We are making significant and tangible progress and have successfully implemented policies and procedures in each and every member company store across the country in just two year's time," Halpin noted. "We have also replaced valuable in-store signage with ratings education information displayed at the point of merchandising and/or the point of sale. And while we acknowledge that the 'human factor' will always be our greatest challenge (making sure that parents and store-level staff are as committed to the same end as retail corporations), we are convinced that we have done our part."

The theme of progress was one echoed in Halpin's response to the NIMF report card.

"It is important to emphasize that the NIMF 'secret shoppers' were turned down 56 percent of the time when they attempted to purchase M-rated games," Halpin stated. "This turn-down rate is a significant improvement since 2000, when only 19 percent were turned down. This overall trend demonstrates strong and growing retailer commitment to video game rating enforcement, although clearly we are not yet where we want to be as an industry."

The NIMF report gave retailers a B for their policies, and a D-minus for their policy enforcement. The ESRB did a little worse, getting a C for ratings education, and an F for ratings accuracy. According to the NIMF, "the continual increase in adult content, the failure to use the AO rating, and the 'hot coffee' scandal of 2005 all point toward the deep flaws in the ESRB rating system."

The NIMF labeled the ESRB system as "beyond repair," and called for an "Independent Universal Ratings System." The resulting response issued by the ratings board was less diplomatic than that of the IEMA, alternating between attacking the NIMF's methodology and motivations and defending its own.

"The call to issue more AO ratings has little to do with rating accuracy, and more to do with NIMF?s real agenda, which is to destroy the commercial viability of games it deems objectionable," the ESRB's response read. "Unlike NIMF, ESRB?s job is to be a neutral rater, not a censor."

The board claims that after last year's report card, it contacted NIMF to work with them on a solution, but never received a response. "Their silence is an unmistakable indication that this is not about working cooperatively in the interests of video game consumers, but rather is about NIMF imposing its own narrow values and morality on the rest of the country, regardless that it has little evidence to show that parents agree with their point of view," the statement reads.

Link
The Videogame industry needs to fight stuff like this to the bitter in. The whole situation is so unfair. I do agree ten years olds do not need to be played GTA, but to single out the videogame industry like this is wrong especially since the same thing happens with movies.

[Icarus4578]

Originally Posted by MarionetteKazuk

LOL, one time at babagges my friend and his brother were with me there and his brother is somewhere around 14 - 16 years old (i'm not too sure), but my friend got a game, but his brother wanted to get grand theft auto for the pc. My friend didn't have his id on him, so we were standing right at the register in front of the cashier and my friend's bro asks if I could buy it for him, I said "yeah". The cashier heard the whole thing and didn't do a thing because since I was really the one buying it, even though his bro was the one who gave me the money, the cashier couldn't do a thing about it.

There ya go.

Originally Posted by SavedFromSin

The Videogame industry needs to fight stuff like this to the bitter in. The whole situation is so unfair. I do agree ten years olds do not need to be played GTA, but to single out the videogame industry like this is wrong especially since the same thing happens with movies.

They'll never let up on this subject because it makes them seem righteous to the adult voters who take care of children. It's always easier to find a scapegoat than it is to place the blame where it really belongs: on themselves.