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Old 08-16-2005, 10:58 AM   #1171
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I think he went into psycho mode that was very bizarre. Hope it was only talking about Bleach, Naruto and One Piece being aimed at a younger audience and not all anime because that would be very wrong.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:00 AM   #1172
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Abbadon i take it you are an idiot.
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Old 08-16-2005, 11:04 AM   #1173
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I think he went into psycho mode that was very bizarre. Hope it was only talking about Bleach, Naruto and One Piece being aimed at a younger audience and not all anime because that would be very wrong.
Yes of course, because when japanese cartoonists design an 'anime' they're thinking about all the 25-30 year old graduate student demographic that makes up the bulk of thier audience.

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I still take it your an idiot.

Anime isnt designed specifically for kids. Certain shows are, some are designed for both, and others are for a more mature crowd. Unless all Japanese five year-olds have the brain capacity of most USA high-school students (whuch may be the case) there is no way any kid would understand Saikano. They wouldn't watch that crap, but guess what, its not crap and it was watched consistently by an older crowd. GTO 's live action finally was the most watched program in Japan, and i assume more then just kids were watching that.

I think a more of a target audience would be, basically everyne for anime in general. Its like Spiderman the movie. Everyone watched it. Kids, teenagers, adults and elderly.

A show such as Pokemon or Yugioh, while still being enjoyed (sadly) by some adults, is definetly designed to entertain kids more. If you dont believe this is true id suggest a vacation to NY. There are alot of large buildings there, and you can easily find one to jump off of.
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:11 PM   #1175
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Yes of course, because when japanese cartoonists design an 'anime' they're thinking about all the 25-30 year old graduate student demographic that makes up the bulk of thier audience.
Well I would say you know Serial Experiments Lain, Texnolyze, Boogiepop Phantom are aimed at 18-30yrs myself not children they would be very confusing for a 10-11 year old. Don't know about you but I wouldn't let my children watch Girls Bravo there's a reason why it aired it 12:30a.m. even in Japan.

Sure most anime is aimed mainly for people below the age of 18, but doesn't mean it all is not by a longshot. Then there's the whole hentai section of course...
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Old 08-16-2005, 01:27 PM   #1176
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I still take it your an idiot.
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Certain shows are, some are designed for both, and others are for a more mature crowd ~ Unless all Japanese five year-olds have the brain capacity of most USA high-school students (whuch may be the case) there is no way any kid would understand Saikano.
Saikano is teen angst in a science fictional setting, any elementary school girl or 10 year old boy with exposure to other children can understand it. I take it you lacked such an environment as a child, is that it? Mommy shelter you a little too much?

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I think a more of a target audience would be, basically everyne for anime in general. Its like Spiderman the movie. Everyone watched it. Kids, teenagers, adults and elderly.
Target Audience, nice term. Lets see at exactly what kids these days are watching, both in the suburbs and the inner city. They listen to 50 Cent who raps about Drugs, Sex, and Killing; They watch shows like South Park and Family Guy which both reference Sex, Drugs, and all other sorts of 'profanities' for the sake of parody. Infact most people who play Violent video games, listen to 'suggestive' music, watch cable porn, and of course cartoons from any country, are kids. Now one might say "Well gee Abaddon just because kid's listen and watch these things doesn't mean it was designed for them!" That may hold true if the demographic wasn't so custom tailored to such things. If more kids ages whatever to 17-18 enjoy those "Mature Adult Oriented" products more so than the 18 - 25 demographic, then who exactly is the demographic directed towards? Truth be told most adults do not watch cartoons, look at the type that do, they are a nitch demographic. Truth is most anime's are geared towards pre-teens and teenagers who've read a quote here and there and think ANY anime can have any intellectual stimulation what. so. ever. My guess is you fit that mold, my condolances if that is the case.

ps. Spiderman the movie bored the **** out of anyone who wasn't interested in comic books or comic book characters.

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A show such as Pokemon or Yugioh, while still being enjoyed (sadly) by some adults, is definetly designed to entertain kids more. If you dont believe this is true id suggest a vacation to NY. There are alot of large buildings there, and you can easily find one to jump off of.
They're designed to sell a product in this case cards, which ironically enough many adults still buy in the form of Magic the Gathering (the "mature" card game), they're not designed necessarily for children and truth be told thier games are so popular with the 18+ handheld gaming audience because they are actually FUN. TO. PLAY. This doesn't excuse the total lack of innovation in any of thier titles or the fact that they create spinoffs of anything and everything every 5 minutes to make a buck of the franchise, but the truth is the games are genuinely well constructed for handheld devices, and that cannot be said about most handheld role playing games.

Guess which city I live in moron. Have a nice day.

To put things into perspective: Warner Brothers Cartoons and other of the ilk during the Golden Age of Animation, back when they were done by hand, with a team of animators working around the clock to create 4 minute toons for the kids. What did those Cartoons consist of? Parodies of movies, shows, references; Sexual undertones, Men smoking and womanizing; Men with guns, and explosives, blowing people up, and throwing people off of cliffs, as well as other deadly weapons being used; Comedy at the expense of someones misfortunes, in situations which would kill a person in real life, like getting shocked by an electricity outlet, and other such things; Just flat out violence, like the idea that if you eat spinach you can become strong enough to beat up people bigger than you and get the girl, and lastly the coup de grace, RACISM AND STEREOTYPES.

All Cartoons at the end of the day are for kids, the "adult oriented" stuff like toon porn and all that garbage is designed specifically for teens, pre-teens and nerds like darknesstear.

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Well I would say you know Serial Experiments Lain, Texnolyze, Boogiepop Phantom are aimed at 18-30yrs myself not children they would be very confusing for a 10-11 year old. Don't know about you but I wouldn't let my children watch Girls Bravo there's a reason why it aired it 12:30a.m. even in Japan.

Sure most anime is aimed mainly for people below the age of 18, but doesn't mean it all is not by a longshot. Then there's the whole hentai section of course...
Boogiesh-t Phantom is bad at any age, most 15 - 19 year old "intellectuals" think highly of themselves enough to think they get Lain and such, honeslty those are the people who watch it most, as most people who are "mature" enough to watch lain don't give enough of a sh-t about it to pay it much mind.

Also most parents in this country (US) allow children to listen to raunchy stuff all the time, you think cartoon porn is the worst they've seen by the time they're 12? Hell have you been to most latin american countries? Have you seen the raunchy crap they show on Japanese TV? It's a bad time to have conservative views on what the children demographic is.

Maturity has very little place in this, a video gaming forum, nor does it have any place in an Animation thread. Because the 22 year olds who are mature, won't be playing video games or watching cartoons, they will be studying, fucking women, and/or socializing, depending on which there preference is, people at my age neurologically who haven't quite gone to that stage of the game quite just yet, haven't fully grown out of thier childish state, in other words they haven't matured quite enough yet, or have but just not enough to get over it. If you're telling me that demographics are geared towards the childish habits of adults then you have to yield to the idea that all cartoons are infact geared towards children. In the end that is the road you take one way or another.

All games are kiddie, comic books are not literature, and cartoons are for kids. If you think differently, you're a sh-tface. ~Have a nice day.

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Old 08-16-2005, 02:17 PM   #1177
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Maturity has very little place in this, a video gaming forum, nor does it have any place in an Animation thread. Because the 22 year olds who are mature, won't be playing video games or watching cartoons, they will be studying, fucking women, and/or socializing, depending on which there preference is, people at my age neurologically who haven't quite gone to that stage of the game quite just yet, haven't fully grown out of thier childish state, in other words they haven't matured quite enough yet, or have but just not enough to get over it. If you're telling me that demographics are geared towards the childish habits of adults then you have to yield to the idea that all cartoons are infact geared towards children. In the end that is the road you take one way or another.

All games are kiddie, comic books are not literature, and cartoons are for kids. If you think differently, you're a sh-tface. ~Have a nice day.
Umm.. you talk some serious BS sure I like playing video games and watching anime but that doesn't mean I don't study, go out with the females and socailize (ok so I don't study but that's beyond the point). But I wouldn't wanna do that 24-7 you know. I need some freetime to myself where I can relax and playing video games or watching anime is a perfect to do this.

I don't wanna attack you personally but by the way you speak at least on this forum I don't think your is any position to talk about being mature.
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Old 08-16-2005, 02:44 PM   #1178
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Umm.. you talk some serious BS sure I like playing video games and watching anime but that doesn't mean I don't study, go out with the females and socailize (ok so I don't study but that's beyond the point). But I wouldn't wanna do that 24-7 you know. I need some freetime to myself where I can relax and playing video games or watching anime is a perfect to do this.
You know I made the mistake of writing alot, which unfortunately gives you the excuse of not reading everything I wrote, which is fine, I don't mind reiterating for you, but it begins to get tedious if I have to do it more than once.

Maturity in terms of human beings, either from the logical rhetorical idea behind it or scientifically which seems to change every 5 minutes depending on the study, focus on periods in life where interests change. When you start looking at boobies differently than you used to, and you start getting interested in different things, that is a sign of maturity, failure to do this suggests that you are infact maintaining an aspect of a younger stage in your life and integrating it into the aspects of your life which have matured.

Playing Video games, reading comic books about super heroes with super powers, and watching cartoons, well... they're childish forms of entertainment. But lets set things straight, at the end of the day, they are forms of entertainment, Entertainment being the keyword here. That being said, all forms of entertainment are essentially counter productive, this ties into the aspect of whether it is a good thing or not which is not the discussion we're having and not want I really want to get into. But lets focus on the main perogative.

The problem is, there is such a blend going on of people who hold onto childish things, that it is hard to distinguish what is adult and what isn't. Sex isn't something for adults if kids at thier early teens experience the desire to F-ck just like every adult on the face of the earth. Sex is only adult because adults don't want kids to f-ck, but the hormones on those kids is telling them something quite different. So don't even come at me with that adult oriented garbage, which in the end was your big point.

Plus in terms of violence, who is more cruel and violent than a child? Only difference is they don't have the saavy to make guns or the strength to break bones.

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Very good observation Escaflowne, if my points weren't so iron-clad I might get offended by that, then again anyone with a brain knows I'm joking, but you are correct, my actions on this forum are immature, infact posting on this forum gains me absolutely nothing of merit, so if I was a little more mature I would know better than to waste my time on such fickle entertainment, which is what this forum is anyway, you know that right? Just like cartoons, just like games, and comic books, and TV... etc etc etc.

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You know I think, you think about it to much. Well you are welcome to your opinions I guess but well I'm off to work now got to work all night.
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Old 08-16-2005, 03:10 PM   #1180
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So let me see...
If it is drawn/animated it is automatically FOR KIDS, no matter the content displayed in them. I dont want to hear **** about how horrible the world is and how little kids are watching smut and playing violent videogames.

I just want you to tell me straight up that anything labeled as 15+ rating (most ADV Dvds) in america were designed specifically FOR KIDS. Not that kids watch it. It was made with all intendency for a child 8-10 to watch.

Go ahead and say that Elfen lied, a show labeled with oodles of blood,gore,nudity,rape was made by some psycopath that was like, "Damn i know what my 8 year-old son wants! He wants to see a 8 year-old animated girl get raped followed by flowing blood from everyone's decapitated head!"

You must obviously have some sort of poor opinion of the Japanese.

And who gives a damn if you liked spiderman or not. Its a point that an even distribution of people watched it. A kids movie: Sky high (only people who watch it are kids and their parents forced to go) A movie for everyone: Star Wars (every age group watches it.)

There is a huge difference in the intended audiences of these movies.

My comparison with Saikano would be the idea that an 8 year-oldd would be bored to hell woth the show. No comedy, light action, its basically people talking. To an 8 year-old plot is second to action or comedy. A show made for plot would bore them. I cannot see the creator of Saikona thinking that his show would be perfect for the 8 year-old age group. Though im not saying some 8 year-olds actually watched it.

If somehow they released a rated R animated movie in america (im not talking anime ATM) i seriously doubt they are planning on selling to a younger crowd. Sure little kids would want to see it, but they wount be able to.

Another example of distribution in age would be the porn industry. IT IS NOT DESIGNED FOR KIDS. Plain and simple. Im sure millions of 10 year-olds around the world look at porn, but guess what millions of teenagers, 20 year-olds, 50 year-olds look at porn. Just becuase kids take part in something designed for an older age group doesnt mean its FOR KIDS.

And no, the point, "Kids shows then technically aren't for kids becuase their parents watch them too, meaning its an equal distribution" BS wopnt work. Becuase if i met a parent that was like "Hell id watch Tellytubies even if i didn't have a kid" id kill them. Being forced to watch it becuase your kids want to doesnt mean its made for you.

Anime is a type of media that has shows that only kids want to watch, only kids and teenagers want to watch, and all groups want to watch. It even has shows, such as ecchi or Hentai that kids dont want to watch. So explain how if multiple age groups watch anime that ALL ANIME is for the youngest age group?

I suppose me and you come from different cultures. Your just angry becuase you live in NY. All New yorkers ive met have been angry, mostly at republicans though.
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If it is drawn/animated it is automatically FOR KIDS, no matter the content displayed in them. I dont want to hear **** about how horrible the world is and how little kids are watching smut and playing violent videogames.
I didn't say that, I'm just saying that the cartoons you're talking about are for kids.

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I just want you to tell me straight up that anything labeled as 15+ rating (most ADV Dvds) in america were designed specifically FOR KIDS. Not that kids watch it. It was made with all intendency for a child 8-10 to watch.
15 year olds are kids bro, teenage kids, but kids never the less. But yeah, they are. WHOOPTY DOO! Easier than you thought huh?!

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Go ahead and say that Elfen lied, a show labeled with oodles of blood,gore,nudity,rape was made by some psycopath that was like, "Damn i know what my 8 year-old son wants! He wants to see a 8 year-old animated girl get raped followed by flowing blood from everyone's decapitated head!"
Overfiend is so for perverted little 15 year olds and you know it.

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You must obviously have some sort of poor opinion of the Japanese.
They're worse. Don't stereotype, not all japanese are stupid enough to watch cartoons, some of them are busy stealing your future job from you.

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And who gives a damn if you liked spiderman or not. Its a point that an even distribution of people watched it. A kids movie: Sky high (only people who watch it are kids and their parents forced to go) A movie for everyone: Star Wars (every age group watches it.)
What made you think I was talking about my personal opinion of spiderman or any other movie based on a super hero or not, I'm just saying people who don't find Comic Book characters interesting will be bored to DEATH of Comic book movies, is that so odd? Are you that stupid and illiterate? No need to answer that, I know the answer.

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There is a huge difference in the intended audiences of these movies.
KIDS! KIDS AND TEENS AND PEOPLE WHO CANNOT LET GO. Very simple if you ask me, don't be in denial.

[quote]My comparison with Saikano would be the idea that an 8 year-oldd would be bored to hell woth the show. No comedy, light action, its basically people talking. To an 8 year-old plot is second to action or comedy. A show made for plot would bore them. I cannot see the creator of Saikona thinking that his show would be perfect for the 8 year-old age group. Though im not saying some 8 year-olds actually watched it.[/qote]

I didn't know 8 was the age when children stopped being children.

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If somehow they released a rated R animated movie in america (im not talking anime ATM) i seriously doubt they are planning on selling to a younger crowd. Sure little kids would want to see it, but they wount be able to.
Punisher was Rated R and it was so geared for kids and comic book fiends its not even funny. Don't give me that garbage, you know its true.

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Another example of distribution in age would be the porn industry. IT IS NOT DESIGNED FOR KIDS. Plain and simple. Im sure millions of 10 year-olds around the world look at porn, but guess what millions of teenagers, 20 year-olds, 50 year-olds look at porn. Just becuase kids take part in something
designed for an older age group doesnt mean its FOR KIDS.
Cartoon Porn is, Porn is a beautiful thing which can be made for all people who want it, like kids who just break into puberty.

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And no, the point, "Kids shows then technically aren't for kids becuase their parents watch them too, meaning its an equal distribution" BS wopnt work. Becuase if i met a parent that was like "Hell id watch Tellytubies even if i didn't have a kid" id kill them. Being forced to watch it becuase your kids want to doesnt mean its made for you.
edit// I apologize I didn't respond to this, I still won't, what? you think it matters if I respond to this or not? I'm still right, go eat sh-t, bitch.

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Anime is a type of media that has shows that only kids want to watch, only kids and teenagers want to watch, and all groups want to watch. It even has shows, such as ecchi or Hentai that kids dont want to watch. So explain how if multiple age groups watch anime that ALL ANIME is for the youngest age group?
I could prove you wrong, but it's obvious you haven't broken into puberty just yet, cartoon porn is for TEENS AND PRE-TEENS, both of which are kids.

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I suppose me and you come from different cultures. Your just angry becuase you live in NY. All New yorkers ive met have been angry, mostly at republicans though.
I love New York, I love it more than any city on earth, and I've been to quite a few of the big ones, not all though, that'll come with time.

Bottom Line is, if you need to get your jollies by wanking on Toon Porn, you're either 13 and want to mix your new found love with cooch with your love of cartoons, or you're 32 and holding onto something that is no longer there.

If you find your entertainment in watching cartoons that mix your new found attractions of the real world which is somehow in your dilluded mind out of reach from most children under the age of 15, then you are reaching farther than any man should have to in order to hold on to something.

If you like Cartoons, and Video Games, and such forms of Entertainment, my suggestion, now this is just a suggestion, but my suggestion, is you keep it as such, and don't try to defend it to justify the fact that you're still acting like a fucking kid, because believe me there are worse things. But Gaming? Anime? hell the idea of calling a fucking cartoon from another country an Anime, Look at Toon Porn? Grow up. Atleast recognize that its not a grown up thing, and maybe you'll understand what maturity is. Okay? Have a nice day, that was directed to both you, and that piece of garbage Escaflowne who wants to take the little cheap shots at me, because he takes the forum experience a little too seriously for his own good.

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I still find your answers alittle flawed.

You keep saying its childish to watch cartoons
But when all i am asking is if the cartoon itself was directed towards children or a more mature crowd. Maybe the context of mature in the sentence was a little difficult to graps. I was using mature as an indication that they are older, so let me rephrase it.

Is the show being directed towards a crowd between the ages of 5-10 or a crowd between the ages of 15-20? This way you cant't throw out any condesnding remarks on how immature it is to play viedogames and watch cartoons, and how if an older person continues to do so they are holding on to something.

Which basically pin-points you into the immature crowd that you condescend becuase of your vast knowledge of these anime that were under discusion. You yourself watch them, but then act as if your to good to do something so wrong as watch a cartoon.

Im sure nobody in these forums cares if playing games or watching cartoons is childish, becuase if you did the adult thing, youd be miserable in work all the time and drunk at home.

Again you comment on the spiderman topic with your preference. And you through in something like, oh its only for the crowd who likes comic books. That still comes far away from the point that any can watch and enjoy the movie. That being said, it isnt directed to any one crowd (well i suppose its directed to more of a prefernce crowd, such as one that enjoys comics, rather then an age crowd)

Its like saying Baseball is for kids. Something stupid as that. I watched baseball as a kid, i watched cartoons as a kid. However somewhere around the road, watching cartoons was no longer "cool" and thus not mature. I assume thats how it went. Becuase there is certainly nothing wrong with a man who watches baseball is there.

Another watch is your manipulation of my "Poor opinion of the Japanese" Assuming you actually took the time to turn on your brain, you would have realised that i was referring to the authors and animators who are certainly Japanese. And you are blaming them directly for drawing Porn (and since carton porn is for kids) for kids to watch. But then again its easy for them to steal jobs from us, becuase we have people who are unable to break the lines of conformity to succeed in this country. And the current jist of things in HS is, stupid people who get drunk and party are cool, so everyone tries to do the same. But thats a whole other topic.

Im sorry i dont have your approval on what i do with my free time, but hell if im happy in life then i am. So you take your scewed view on the world and your judgements on people that are of no knowledge to you and ill keep my own as well. Im just trying to figure out how you can compare something such as GITS to POKEMON on an age and muturity level, just becuase of the way it was made. And your lack of knowledge to consider something create just becuase of how it looks (even movies like Ice Age, Incredibles are awesome, even when geared towards kids)
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I still find your answers alittle flawed.

You keep saying its childish to watch cartoons
But when all i am asking is if the cartoon itself was directed towards children or a more mature crowd. Maybe the context of mature in the sentence was a little difficult to graps. I was using mature as an indication that they are older, so let me rephrase it.

Is the show being directed towards a crowd between the ages of 5-10 or a crowd between the ages of 15-20? This way you cant't throw out any condesnding remarks on how immature it is to play viedogames and watch cartoons, and how if an older person continues to do so they are holding on to something.

Which basically pin-points you into the immature crowd that you condescend becuase of your vast knowledge of these anime that were under discusion. You yourself watch them, but then act as if your to good to do something so wrong as watch a cartoon.

Im sure nobody in these forums cares if playing games or watching cartoons is childish, becuase if you did the adult thing, youd be miserable in work all the time and drunk at home.

Again you comment on the spiderman topic with your preference. And you through in something like, oh its only for the crowd who likes comic books. That still comes far away from the point that any can watch and enjoy the movie. That being said, it isnt directed to any one crowd (well i suppose its directed to more of a prefernce crowd, such as one that enjoys comics, rather then an age crowd)

Its like saying Baseball is for kids. Something stupid as that. I watched baseball as a kid, i watched cartoons as a kid. However somewhere around the road, watching cartoons was no longer "cool" and thus not mature. I assume thats how it went. Becuase there is certainly nothing wrong with a man who watches baseball is there.

Another watch is your manipulation of my "Poor opinion of the Japanese" Assuming you actually took the time to turn on your brain, you would have realised that i was referring to the authors and animators who are certainly Japanese. And you are blaming them directly for drawing Porn (and since carton porn is for kids) for kids to watch. But then again its easy for them to steal jobs from us, becuase we have people who are unable to break the lines of conformity to succeed in this country. And the current jist of things in HS is, stupid people who get drunk and party are cool, so everyone tries to do the same. But thats a whole other topic.

Im sorry i dont have your approval on what i do with my free time, but hell if im happy in life then i am. So you take your scewed view on the world and your judgements on people that are of no knowledge to you and ill keep my own as well. Im just trying to figure out how you can compare something such as GITS to POKEMON on an age and muturity level, just becuase of the way it was made. And your lack of knowledge to consider something create just becuase of how it looks (even movies like Ice Age, Incredibles are awesome, even when geared towards kids)
Hmm, it's getting a little large in size, I'll answer your question in a few specific points assigned per segment, before I do though graps? I just found that funny okay lets go.

1. This is commercial art we're talking about, so being the business of commercial art that it is, NATURALLY, who is the audience going to be designated towards. The audience that yields the greatest profit, that being said, the "mature" content, as per suggested in many of these titles, are what attract children the most, since you can't attract as many adults into the idea of watching cartoons as you can kids, violence which sells to all ages, in cartoons is obviously directed towards children, and anyone else that happens to watch it is a bonus. Sex only comes into play when children become old enough to have thier curiosities set onto that, which comes in thier early teens.

Side point: You're actually dividing 15-20 year olds from 5-10 suggesting and suggesting that there is that monumental a leap? Minus the desire to f-ck which you get well before 15 anyway, what else is there? You fight, you have friends, you go to school in most cases you still live with your folks and chances are unless you lived in the 80s you're watching the same garbage that most 20-25 year old slackers like myself watch when we decide that there is just a small chunk of time that needs wasting.

2. I think its blatantly obvious that I myself enjoy video games, cartoons, and posting on this forum, only difference is I don't make any excuses or dillusions about what I do here. My time would be better spent reading, studying, socializing, or other fucking, only thing is, but I choose not to. Plus fucking 10 hours a day would kill me. I choose to waste my time doing these things for the sake of entertainment purposes, whatever you think I'm coming off as, is really your problem, get over it bitch.

3. Commercial Artists are mercinaries, they make products which can be purchased, they label them for +18 because the law is against them, but who are they really making it for? Are you insulting thier intelligence so much so suggest that they don't know who are going to be interested in such things? Apparently there is a big audience in the 18 - 25 range of perverted little losers in Japan who get thier jollies taken cared of by looking at cartoons, but I assure you they got that desire when they were teens, and they're just NOT LETTING GO.

4. You made an interesting point about the baseball, thanks for making it for me, you said you played games as a kid, you watched cartoons as a kid, and you enjoyed baseball [I think you said this too] as a kid. THEY GOT YOU WHEN YOU WERE YOUNG AND YOU CANNOT/DO NOT WANT TO LET GO. Don't feel too bad, most of us are fans of such things for the same reasons, I'm a huge baseball fan, soccer not so much, they got me in baseball when I was young, they got me in soccer when I was in my late teens, see the difference?

5. I don't give a flying sh-t what you do with your time, nor do I care whether you die before or after I post this. Truth is I like the confronation, no matter what side I'm on, don't think so highly of yourself, you just happened to reply.

6. You mentioned that I don't know the difference between Ghost in the Shell which is a science fiction fairy tale, and pokemon... well lets look at the difference shall we?

*Both are products that are made to make money
*One happens to make more money because it is a better business venture
* One takes itself seriously in order to come off as "Mature" to pretentious little teenage fucks like you, or people my age or order who have brains the size of peanuts and have muck in thier eyes.

Big Difference.











Final Point- This is just something that strikes me a little wierd, I'm going to space this a little farther from the rest because this is really the last piece I need to put into this arguement you want to have with me, make sure you read this twice because I won't reiterate any point in this piece again. Who gives a sh-t? I know this sounds wierd coming from me after saying what I've said about your points being off centered and stupid and you being a whopping moron which you are btw, but who gives a sh-t? Work with me here:

If a guy 50 or 60 years old and you're fucking around with 25-30 year olds, kudos to that guy btw, but lets say such a scenario were to take place, thats very immature, for his age bracket to be doing, but honestly, who gives a sh-t?

I'm a 22 year old slacker skips a semester every now and then, don't drink or do drugs, but I f-ck around every now and then, I play my games, I surf the web, drink an expresso inbetween bowls of Frankenberry and eating Fruit roll ups, and I watch cartoons, classics like Tom and Jerry, and japanese toons like Yakitate Japan, yeah I'm being a childish sh-t, but who gives a sh-t? Why do you feel the need to defend the idea that watching a show which hints towards sexual undertones and violence like lets say "Speed Grapher" for example, is geared more towards me, then someone 8-10 years younger than I, I would've probably enjoyed Speed Grapher MORE because its so scantally clad and it has all that graphic violence in it, its fascinating, plus the whole blood angel wing bullsh-t, oh yeah its fucking childish, but who gives a sh-t? You seem to [I already said several times why I'm argueing], I'm not making any dillusions about what I know I'm indulging and in the end wasting my precious time with, but you seem to think that in doing so you're justifying something, what I don't know, but I frankly don't give two flying fucks what you think you're going to justify with all that defensive back talk you seem to have, but you're not going to change something as childish as watching a fucking cartoon as making it suddenly mature simply because there happens to be blood or a *gasp* BOOBIE in it! You can apply that with Video games too.

Do I have to respond again? I really don't think I have to, but I know you're respond back, or atleast feel the desire to, and since I know you'll never stop until it stops being "cool" to respond, I'll give you the last word and make you feel big about yourself, I know how much you need that, if you'd like just to satisfy your desire to continue argueing with me, I'll take an opposing view of an opinion you have, and bash it to high hell just for kicks, this way you can still try to upstage me.

~Have a nice day. By the way that last point I made refuted half of your arguements, including every assumption you had in this discussion from me being an idiot, to me being high and mighty, to you being more intelligent than I am, or simply being intelligent at all. Feel free to disagree. No I don't think I won, I know I did.

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I actually hate baseball with a passion now.

I still think they gear more things for older audiences. Not that younger audiences would still enjoy it, but making a show for an older crowd, ie removing jokes that some 15+ wouldnt find funny like a 6-10 year old (and yes there is a monumental leap in maturity in 5 years. One so monumental you are no longer easy swayed by peices of garbage like the 100 different seasons of Power Rangers) would expand their profits becuase not only kids 6-10 will watch, but people 10-15 and 15+ so your demgraphic area is much larger.
A childrens show, such as Pokemon, usually doesnt strike a note with people older then 15. However a show such as Full Metal Alchemist can be appreciated by a much larger crowd. This is done so not becuase it is a better show, but becuase it has its material situated to spark intrest with people of multiple age groups. Another such show would be Naruto. It has blood so young-ones would atleast like that. Then again all age groups do. It has a story that cant really be guessed, so i might almost strike an intellectual note with an older crowd (ok maybe picking a show i dont like wasnt a good idea) The difference between Naruto and Pokemon is that Pokemon is more geared for people 6-15, and Naruto for 15+ (which doesnt exclude the 6-15 demographic either) That is why alot of kids seem to like it, as well as adults.
It is good bussiness to keep your demographics open.

Your philoshiphy on not giving a sh-t is one i too hold myself. I dont care if you think im immature becuase i do what i do. However, i dont think every single cartoon is made for children. I dont believe people make a show full of violence and nudity for the sole purpose of some pompous jackass 12 year-old to be happy. I think they make their show, directed at an age group that can appreciate it for full value, and its just coincidence that children eat it up. Then again it works backwards as well. A show is made for children, and adults eat it up as well. Then there is the inbetween, movies like Shrek and such, that are entertaining for children, but have alot of hidden jokes that only an older crowd will pick up and understand. And thus the movie is enjoyed by both crowds, and sells like an unstoppable force. There is a definent increase in intellegence, maturity, and experience in the course of 10 years, and with that comes a difference in preference between the two groups. Shrek was definetly tailor-made to support two crowds. There is no way they accidently threw in jokes that only people around double the age of the intended audience of the movie can understand. And therefore a kids movie turns more into a movie for all ages.
There are also multiple movies that have comedy and events that wouldn't be understood or appreciated by people under the age of pubirty, etc. Thus they aren't Kid's movies. That is the point that i have been trying to get through all this time, but will most likely be replyed to with a response of "WTF are you talking about moron" type. Its just a case of missunderstanding between our perceptions of the words childlike and for kids, and clashing views on how the world, mainly the entertainment industry work.

Ontop of that, it is defenetly possible to be both mature and a fan of cartoons. Becuase once again, the fact that you passionetly enjoy something, even if it was originated for a younger audience, doesnt make you immature. Its how you present yourself, how you control your enjoyment, and how you live your life around it that decides if you are mature or not. If i hated cartoons and videogames i wouldn't be any more mature then if i played them non-stop.

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