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Old 11-15-2009, 11:25 PM   #1
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Historial figures you admire

History is a dirty, nebulous, chart. A chart written by those who win. That said, who are some historical figures you admire (or are perhaps just fascinated by) and why?

For me, two figures whom I've spent the past couple of years really learning about are George Washington and Thomas Jefferson, the United States first and third Presidents, receptively. Both were men who were very concerned with their public image and kept their public image under their control throughout history by means of a nonchalant disposition. Both acted like they weren't concerned with their public image, but in reality were somewhat slaves to their desire to control it.

Washington, despite saying he was not seeking the job of America's first general arrived to the Congressional meetings dressed in a uniform he, himself, designed. He ordered his wife, Martha, to destroy all their personal correspondence upon his death. He even tried to cover up his inability to measure his body correctly by claiming that merchants cheated him (and records show him to be in the wrong in this). He was no doubt a brilliant tactician, having been educated by the British, that found weaknesses in the Empire's thin red line. And he learned from the mistakes the British made during the French and Indian War and applied them to the Revolutionary. His one weakness, in my opinion, was his admiration of Alexander Hamilton, a man who I think manipulated Washington later in his life.

Jefferson, is the smartest, wisest, most passionate, and well spoken hypocrite I've had the pleasure of reading about. He said that the federal government should not take on a national debt, yet he himself lived a life well above his means. He said "all men were created equal" yet scientifically believed blacks were lesser men. He said that the federal government shouldn't make large decisions, yet made the hugest decision in the young nation's life in the Louisiana Purchase. Jefferson was the type of person who would invite you to his home, feed you his finest vegetables and wine, discuss the nature of religion and see you off...only for you to find out later that he has paid reporters to smear you in tomorrow's paper. A man of strong principals, but a practitioner or few, Jefferson was the learned man's icon and his principles (both in idealism of how a citizen should act and how a federal government should be fun) are still strong today.

And I didn't even get to Sally Hemmings.

So what do you guys got?
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Old 11-16-2009, 01:04 AM   #2
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I'm a sucker for the inventors and scientists from history. People like Leonardo Da Vinci amaze me, how can one man be so far ahead of his time? I swear he could see the future. I also like Geroge Washington Carver for all his advancements in botany that really helped shape America's agriculture. His life story is great too. I'm also a big fan of Tesla and his relationship with Thomas Edison. Ironic that Edison is known as the creator of the lightbulb and our modern power grid, when it uses Alternating Current instead of Direct Current (for good reason). And Edison was against AC in favor of DC. (For monetary reasons)

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Jack Churchill. The man was a god.

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Mark Twain / Samuel Clemens.

His logic and world views were fucking impeccable.

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Old 11-16-2009, 03:20 AM   #7
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History is the most interest subject there is for me .. reading about how people thought/ acted during points is time is how i wind down most of the time. I read a bit of history at uni as while doing my IT degree we had to do some other modules, so i always took histroy as i loved it at school

for me without these people the world simply would not be the same

Winston Churchhill



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Isambard Kingdom Brunel (best known for the creation of the Great Western Railway, a series of famous steamships, including the first propeller-driven transatlantic steamship, and numerous important bridges and tunnels during the industrial revolution)



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Steve Irwin.

And I can't not say Winston Churchill. Oh yes!
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