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Old 11-24-2004, 05:29 AM   #976
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Old 11-24-2004, 12:37 PM   #977
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As I explained in the review Drunken, I usually suck at anything multiplayer when it comes to FPS. In fact, I didn't even bother to bring it up in my Echoes review because, frankly, I don't care about multiplayer, especially in a Metroid. (And if you've just gotta know, it's nothing special.) How many different times can you write about this feature in a game? In my opinion, any FPS that's built around the multiplayer features instead of the solo mission (or whatever it's about) isn't my idea of a good game. However, Bungie did do a better job than the first game's compaign in my book, hence why I wrote the things I did, but Metroid just wiped the floor with it as far as my opinion is concerned. It's just that much better.

I'm just not into that whole multiplayer thing. And when the Xbox 2 online stuff comes out (Halo 3?), tell me, who is gonna still be bothering with Halo 2 online? They'll probably have shut its online multiplayer down by then, thus destroying that feature's purpose. What are you left with after that?

Mr.Fantastic, bravo. But this isn't Fruity Gaming Monthly. That's in EGM's department.
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Old 11-24-2004, 03:02 PM   #978
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Very nice review Icarus. I'm wondering why no one here is talking about Half-Life2 since it's one of the most wanted/acclaimed PC games... Anyhow just to let you know you must buy Baten Kaitos. It's so good I stopped playing MP2:Echoes. I currently am trying to blast through Super Metroid to get less than 3 hours. Keep up the good work.

The multi-player in Prime2 seems to be a personal taste, DS. Some people say that it's mediocre at best while others really enjoy it. So find someone who owns Prime2 and play a 4 player game to see if you like it. Metroid Prime: Hunters won't disappoint if you don't like Prime2's multi-player.

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Old 11-24-2004, 08:56 PM   #979
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As I explained in the review Drunken, I usually suck at anything multiplayer when it comes to FPS. In fact, I didn't even bother to bring it up in my Echoes review because, frankly, I don't care about multiplayer, especially in a Metroid. (And if you've just gotta know, it's nothing special.) How many different times can you write about this feature in a game? In my opinion, any FPS that's built around the multiplayer features instead of the solo mission (or whatever it's about) isn't my idea of a good game. However, Bungie did do a better job than the first game's compaign in my book, hence why I wrote the things I did, but Metroid just wiped the floor with it as far as my opinion is concerned. It's just that much better.

I'm just not into that whole multiplayer thing. And when the Xbox 2 online stuff comes out (Halo 3?), tell me, who is gonna still be bothering with Halo 2 online? They'll probably have shut its online multiplayer down by then, thus destroying that feature's purpose. What are you left with after that?

Mr.Fantastic, bravo. But this isn't Fruity Gaming Monthly. That's in EGM's department.
halo 2 revolutionised FPS's, it brought to the table the ability to hold two guns in a semi-retarded way

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Old 11-25-2004, 02:44 AM   #980
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Icarus Editorial #4 ~ Lies, spreading misinformation and uninformed comments

Welcome to another Icarus editorial. Yes, I know, I know, it's a little too soon in coming but I felt it had to be done.

Recently, I was sitting down with EGM Issue 186 and was taken aback by some of the material within. As usual, the cover is meant to display their knack for commercialism to the extreme. But then that's commonplace in this industry. Sadly, game magazines are less and less about gaming and more and more an expos? of commercialized filler crap--precisely what us few hardcore gamers feared would happen to this industry.

Flip a few pages past the absurd amount of advertisements (what great content guys) and you'll come across Dan "Shoe" Hsu's editorial. It's an editorial clich?, to be sure--a tired editor working the midnight oil--but it's also strikingly familiarly worded and structured. Pull out GameFan Volume 1 - Issue 12 and read Dave Halverson's editorial. Pretty damn similar, wouldn't ya say? As a matter of fact, a little too similar. Observe Dan's other comments and then also read the GF editorials in Volume 3 - Issue 8 (last paragraph), Volume 5 - Issue 8 (last few sentences) and Volume 2 - Issue 12 (main excerpt). A lot of the material is almost word-for-word. It's almost plagarism. Of course, I'm more than familiar with pretty much all of GF's material, having read through each issue about a dozen times, and continue to read them occasionally. I know when my eyes and brain are experiencing deja vu -- it strikes a certain familiar chord. I'll be looking to future EGM content, editorial and otherwise, to see whether they blatantly try to plagarize Dave and the others and, if need be, will bring it to his attention personally. Hey, I can't help it if one person comes up with his own material (Dave) and the other is just a sad wannabe.

If you would care to turn past several more advertisements you'll eventually come across their "celebrity gamer" section, or, in other words, another waste of magazine space (as if the magazine wasn't already a jambalaya of mismanaged content and ridiculous features). Just another jackass who (of course) happens to prefer the PS2, as if everybody couldn't do without knowing this. What is this crap anyway, and in what way is it of any relevance?

After turning past more garbage, which had me shaking my head in disgust at the content (or lack thereof--and this is one of their supposedly better issues....), you'll eventually hit their PSP/DS comparison, because everybody is just dying for more of their prejudging ways. First off, they try to say that the PSP will have massive third-party support and that, "as usual," there are few good third-party games [for DS]. Actually, the reverse seems more likely: of what was shown thus far, the DS has the majority of the third-party support. And their "as usual" comment proves that they're ignorant when it comes to the portable race because they're trying to indirectly compare the lack of third-party support for the GC with their portable -- a strict "no-no". GB and GBA have always had tremendous backing both from Nintendo and others, and, if things go well, the PSP could see similar success. Gaining momentum in any field of gaming is all about combining great gaming with cool hardware and knowing how to cater to your particular crowd, what makes them tick.

Further diminishing any sense of logic behind their article is that they're trying to illustrate the DS as somehow only having good games from Nintendo alone... no doubt, this is an attempt to try and make people believe that the DS is gonna go the way of the N64. Well, if sales are any indication, the DS is doing staggeringly well and will only continue to thrive. Meanwhile, the PSP has a gorgeous screen that rivals any other portable to date (including the DS) and all it needs is a few killer apps and it can even glow. The launch effort by Sony during the course of the next year will ultimately decide the fate of their entry into the portable realm. If Sony is serious about making a true gaming portable then they must treat it like a baby (i.e. give it the proper love and care and not make another shallow attempt to lure in more casual gamers, though that's unlikely given their track record).

Turn even further into the mag and you'll come across their reviews section. As expected, the most commercialized, most hyped titles all scored stellar scores. Halo 2 and GTA ~ San Andreas got perfect reviews. Question is, are they really perfect? According to these guys, yes. Of course, Nintendo had no chance with Metroid Prime 2 because it doesn't sport any huge online multiplayer features or car jackings. There's that, and there's the fact that it's on a Nintendo console, and this is a magazine which is partially owned by Sony. The advertising revenue also plays a huge part (literally 1/3rd of the mag is just advertisements, I kid you not).

I have no question that they played through GTA, Halo 2 and the like. I do, however, have serious resevations as to whether they actually completed Prime 2, and whether it was actually just being played by one person while the others just sat around and watched. I present some evidence--by their own admission(!), as Columbo would say--that seems to prove it. In one of the captions, they accuse the game of using the Echo Visor to a bare minimum, saying that it's only used for a few things and one boss fight. Now this is the key: anybody whose actually bothered to play all the way through the game (myself being such a person) would know that you need it for not one but two boss encounters, including during part of the final boss. They would only know such a thing by playing through the game, thus I'm sorry to report that it's apparent that their reviews were and are a blatant lie---and they proved it by themselves.

I have no doubt that one of the staff got very far, albeit rushed through most of the game without even taking the time to check out extra rooms, secrets and other stuff. Just look at their screenshots; they have like 50-70 missiles tops, only 100 max dark/light ammo and about half of the full health. That says to me that they just rushed through much of the game. Oh, I'm sure that they've beaten it by now, but ...isn't it a little too late? Is this what Dan meant when he was doing his best Dave Halverson impression, when he said that these are the most thorough, unbiased reviews you'll find anywhere? He said he'd stake his personal reputation on it (what reputation?). Well, I guess I just proved with solid facts that Dan and his magazine have no credible reputation and that all they really are is a circus, a bunch of clowns who pretend to play through games which they really don't. In contrast, I actually bothered to play through both Prime 2 and Halo 2 until the credits rolled. Why? Because I'm "the real deal," a genuine gamer with the credentials to play games looking for depth and sheer funfactor, two concepts foreign to their mag. By the end of my first playthrough in Prime 2, I had only missed one energy container, had 195 missiles, the FULL AMOUNT of dark/light ammo and ten power bombs. How's that for you? Not bad, eh?

It's always a pleasure to write this material for the people who come here on the MagicBox looking for an informed opinion. I do it all with the utmost love and respect. I'm a gamer and I can't help it. MagicBox has always been a great place to discuss gaming, and other members are breaking out with their own review threads -- a great trend if ever there was one. Guys like Joe Redifer, who actually has a deep knowledge of both gaming on the software side and the technical side. Guys like Messanic, bemanisuperstar and PaperEXE, who actually care enough to share their opinions. And then there's the mainstays like gearhound, a person with more optimism than anybody I've ever spoken with about gaming. The moderators, both past and present, like Drunken Savior (who does a damn good job, I might add) and are actual gamers. Guys who are particular to their respected platforms yet no less passionate about gaming than anybody else: Vert1, TheHardware, Vic Viper, AtariX, Sinful Sam, and the list just goes on and on. It's a cast worthy of a game magazine if ever there was one. I'm fast approaching my third year here on MagicBox and would like to extend my personal thanks to all those who helped make these years something really special. I hope we'll continue to move forward as the gaming seasons change and we'll inevitably be discussing the new systems which, with any luck, will hopefully bring about some killer software. I'm all psyched and raring to go.

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Old 11-25-2004, 03:57 AM   #981
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EGM is now a shell of its former self. i stopped getting that mag (and buying it) a while back because i would notice that they would lower a game's score because it was difficult!!not to mention what icarus pointed out. imagine that? yes, i am very optimistic. some people think that i am let down because of it. well, i am not. i was not let down buy DMC, NG, VJ, RE REMAKE, RE ZERO, TALES OF SYMPHONIA, SO3, IKARUGA, RYGAR, gradius V, metroid prime, r-type final, and so many other games that i had hope for and turned out good. only a few that i had hope for bombed like unlimited saga, which blows harder than a crack whore on 5th street.

i feel like i should be writing reviews as well since i want to do it for a living and is the whole reason i am in college (double major, philosophy/journalism). sadly, i do not have the time to focus on reviews on the forums and keep them updated. by the way, where do you get your free time, icarus? can i have some? i have high hopes for final fantasy XII more than anything. this game will be the RPG experience of 2005.

to sum it up, i feel that there really are not any great magazines on the market anymore like there used to be. why? because gaming has become more mainstream, so we have more mainstream writers. play is decent, but they rarely give low reviews. i recently had the chance to play capcom fighting evolution on the PS2 and it really is crap. i think it is by far the worst playing capcom fighter ever. play magazine acts like it is 2-d greatness. oh, well. i guess they really like it.
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Old 11-25-2004, 04:06 AM   #982
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I'm just not into that whole multiplayer thing. And when the Xbox 2 online stuff comes out (Halo 3?), tell me, who is gonna still be bothering with Halo 2 online? They'll probably have shut its online multiplayer down by then, thus destroying that feature's purpose. What are you left with after that?
I think Xbox Live will continue at least until XBox 2 comes out, Microsoft is the most dedicated of the three to an easy to use online system for its consoles. But you have a point, Halo 3 will make Halo 2 obsolete. But that is most likely years from now, probably 2006 at the earliest we will see Halo 3. And it's not a guarantee Halo 3 will be as good as Halo 2, though it should. For example, WSB 2K3 is far superior to it's 2K4 game. It's sad because the 2K4 game is XBL supported and 2K3 is not. So my wait for a solid baseball title on XBL (or any stable, popular online console) continues...

And you should play more multiplayer games. Do you not like multiplayer in other games too? Do you play online games competitively?
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Old 11-25-2004, 04:21 AM   #983
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icarus won't play with us because he knows he will get spanked. right, icarus?
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Old 11-25-2004, 04:33 AM   #984
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Gearhound, I feel the same way as you do about the game magazines. As for free time, I've only been able to get on after midnight, so whatever time I'm willing to sacrifice here is extra from the day. I spend much of my time working on music and stuff, and I play games whenever I get the chance or am in the mood.

P.S. Yes, I'm sure you guys would be a real challenge to me online... in a FPS. But not in a game I'm very familiar with like Soul Calibur! No WAY would you beat me baby!! (Of course, a great game such as SC doesn't have online. Go figure.)

Drunken, yes, my cousin was actually the one with Xbox Live. It was pretty interesting. But the thing I hate about it is when people disconnect -- so utterly absurd! It's not as personal as it is when playing against somebody in the same room/arcade as you, that much is for certain. ...Unless you know the person, naturally. The reason why I refuse to "get connected" is because there isn't anything that really appeals to me on the online front. If a game such as SFIII sported full online playability with no lag times, I'd sign right up. As for Xbox 2 (whatever it's gonna be called), I think that when Halo comes out for it that nobody is gonna care about the Xbox 1 incarnations and that by then they will have probably shut down Xbox Live. We shall see. I'm sure that I'll be online in the future and then I'll be playing with you guys. Until then, I don't feel like bringing Halo 2 over my cousins just so that I can get my ass kicked by you, gearhound and others who are more than likely far better at it than I am.
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Old 11-25-2004, 01:00 PM   #985
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Xbox Live will keep going with XboxNext/Xbox2. The old games may not be supported, but Xbox Live will still keep going.
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Old 11-25-2004, 02:09 PM   #986
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Thanks for the honerable mention Icarus, and yes, Street Fighter Anniversary collection will have live play. The thing is that it was supposed to come out earlier and Capcom decided to delay it to take advantage of the 'new' xbox live features. So no worries Icarus, you can play SFIII lag free on xbox live in January.
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Old 11-25-2004, 02:51 PM   #987
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Messanic do you own an Xbox? I've decided I'm going to get one because the desire to play Halo 2 online is killing me, and Xbox live sounds great. I would have shelled out 100$ for a Cube but no online play makes Xbox a better choice.
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Old 11-25-2004, 06:15 PM   #988
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I actually don't have one but I'll be getting one tomorrow if I can't get a ds, this is of course after I choke the hell out of little Billy's mother.
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Old 11-25-2004, 11:45 PM   #989
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Hey at least it's at win-win situation. :cool guy:
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Old 11-26-2004, 02:30 AM   #990
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I'll have up some new reviews soon. As well, I'll be doing the awards for this year later on, probably close to or at the beginning of January. Spiffy. Whenever I decide to do another editorial it will definitely have a more positive tone, but if I catch any more fraudulent activity in the mainstream media I'll be sure to at least bring it up here.

Thanks for all the responses. Keep blazing.
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