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Old 11-14-2011, 07:15 PM   #1
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So I don't know anything about building a PC.

Yeah, due to lack of funds and my nomadic lifestyle over the last 5 years, I've pretty much been living off of notebooks for most of my computing needs. I guess with the release of skyrim and the witcher 2 and seeing all that awesome shit on the dolphin emu, I want myself a *decent* pc.

I'm probably going to be able to afford something around $400-$500 ($600 if necessary), after I sell an iPad I won through work. For now, I'll probably run it through my HDTV (I'd need it to have an hdmi port i guess) until I can scoop up enough cash for a decent dedicated monitor.

I don't have a tower to work from; I have nothing, other than a mouse, a keyboard and an HDTV. I think I have a OEM version of W7, but I can't find the disc to save my life, so let's just say I'd have to buy another one of those if I build a pc. Would it be cheaper to grab a decent prebuilt and work off that down the road, or just build one from scratch? I'm not looking for it to do anything amazing, I'd just like it to p|ay games that look better than their console counterparts.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883227375

I was looking at this, but hell if I know that's a good deal or a rip off.

EDIT: now that I think about it, should I just wait until Cyber Monday?
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Old 11-14-2011, 10:42 PM   #2
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idk if you can get a decent pc in that budget. if you upped it to like 800-1k you could have a very decent pc but for $400-600 i don't see that happening. try some dedicated pc message boards.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:20 AM   #3
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$400-$500 is a bit tricky. $800 would of been super tasty. That pc you linked is far too weak. Buying a new win7 disc will also hit you hard. Unless you can think of other ways of bypassing that bit.
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:37 AM   #4
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Yeah I was guessing that would be too low. I've been looking at this guide and this guide trying to see if I could get a little more insight into building a pc (i admit that some of this stuff looks like a different language and I don't mean to sound like "find me a pc to build", i just haven't had the time to research this stuff as much as I've liked to). I figured I could get all the hardware and just bite the bullet on the OS disc. Another problem is HDDs are freaking expensive due to the flooding, so I'm stuck with a crappy laptop HDD until the prices drop again. Any parts you'd recommend? I'm trying to crib ideas from people online shopping carts.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:31 AM   #5
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So I cobbled together a heap of parts that I got from a few guides

DVD drive
Motherboard
Video Card
Power Supply
RAM
Processor

Any suggestions on these items? They add up into the cart to a little over $500 (excluding case, Win 7 and HDD for now). I don't know if these parts are sub par, to be honest. But I feel like I need to start learning about this stuff sooner than later.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:35 AM   #6
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16883229284

Get this one and just change the 3d card in it. The card is not bad for med settings for most games, but there are better cards out there like the geforce 560 ti, you can get them with awesome cooling to it and overclocking. But you can wait till you can get them fairly cheap. Right now they are about 200 dollars, I got mine for around 150 with rebates.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814121445 This is the 560 I bought, works great, I love it. But it's massive, so I don't know about the case with that computer I posted. I had to take out stuff like my HDDs to fit in it.
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Old 11-15-2011, 03:54 AM   #7
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A very nice cheap case would be this one. Maybe buy an extra fan to put in the front grill inside.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811133185

I'd go with this ram. Its cheap and excellent

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820231314

Also I cant recommend anything below this card.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127565

IF you really really really must get something cheaper I'd say this one, but prefer you get the first choice.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814130661

Power supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817341041


When it comes to cpu+mboard cominations I'd recommend this cpu for intel, since the next best option is $14 less and really zero point in bother..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819115072

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157279

For AMD...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103727

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813128519


There are other options for boards but I'd go with those two without heavy researching. I've only had hands on experience with the ASRock board, but I've owned a few gigabyte ones over the years. Both excellent brands. So to summarize--


Case - Thermaltake VL84301W2Z V3 - $59.99
Memory- G.SKILL Ripjaws 1600DDR3 8gb - $44.99
Videocard - MSI N560GTX-TI Twin Frozr - $244.99
Videocard 2- EVGA GTX 560 - $199.99
Power supply- OCZ Fatal1ty 750W - $99.99

= $449.96 or $399.96 with weaker video card


CPU Intel - Intel Core i5-2500K - $214.99
Mboard Intel - ASRock Z68 PRO3 GEN3 - $114.99

= $329.98

CPU AMD - AMD Phenom II X4 965 - $129.99
Mboard AMD - GIGABYTE GA-970A-UD3 - $114.99

= $244.98


So the intel pc will cost you $779.94, and the AMD $694.94.... Subtract $50 with weaker video card choice. This isnt without any extras, like your windows disc, or dvd drive, or a custom heatsink/cooler for the cpu , COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus which costs $25.99. Using that can lower your cpu temp heaps. Stock fan that comes with the intel has the cpu running at around 55-60degrees. This thing slaps it down to 35-40. Massive difference.

The video cards have about 10fps average difference. The other big difference is the more expensive card runs on less power and also at a temperature of around 40degrees. The other one sits at about 60-70degrees, massive difference. I would also recommend the intel over the AMD any day. Ignore the price, we're talking performance. I'm not gonna bother with the ATI cards either. So if you're planning to buy a pc that will destroy any game for the next 3-4 years at high-max detail, that system will do it. The cheaper version, a little less. All depends what you want. I've chosen performance/cost, not best parts.

Heres a site with lots of info on cpu and video card benchmarks so you can see the difference between each. At the top you'll see a CHARTS tab. Click on that and you can then go to cpu or videocard. You can also check and compare multiple cards or cpus with each other which is pretty cool. As for something a little specific, heres a Skyrim benchmark they did with multiple cards and cpus.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...mark,3074.html
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Old 11-15-2011, 10:28 AM   #8
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Get something that can run Battlefield 3 real good. You're wanting something that can last and keep up for a couple years. ^^
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:17 AM   #9
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this ^^

get a 560ti rig at minimum, ti will run BF3 happily on ultra and you will ahve a good few years in it thats for sure


Intel (sandy bridge) i5 2500K cpu, 8gb ram, Nvidia 560ti is the way would go
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Old 11-15-2011, 01:16 PM   #10
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I agree with the mini rig Darren posted. 2500k, 8GB RAM, and a 560ti is solid stuff. That's exactly what I'm going for minus the 560ti, since I'm just SLI'ing my current 460 with another one. But if it was scratch, I'd get the 560Ti.

Everyone has pretty much answered it. I'd just recommend getting an SLI capable motherboard, so you can beef up your system in the distant future for quite cheap.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:32 PM   #11
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Agreed on the sli mobo. 560ti sli in a few years time will destroy any next gen console and cost a fraction of them as well to do so. as will your 460 sli
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Old 11-15-2011, 07:21 PM   #12
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Now of only HDD weren't so pricy...
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Old 11-15-2011, 11:33 PM   #13
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560ti will already be more powerful then the next gen systems on its own.
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