Weening the people onto cel shading

Mutter · 02-02-2003, 01:52 PM

Games like Zelda get alot of (bad) attention because of them being cel shaded.

But is it possible that non-believers will get 'weened' onto it by such cel shaded games as Killer 7?

Take cartoonsfor example - sure they are thought to be made for kids, but adults still enjoy Batman of the Future, or Samurai Jack, for instance. This is because thjey have learnt that cartoons have different levels of maturity and the demographic does go older.

So, instead of a title instantly being dismissed as 'kiddy' or simple, will people see it and go- 'wow, hope its cool'? If they have had experience with cel shaded games targeted for older consumers, will that mean they may actually become attracted to such games?

Your thoughts?

02-02-2003, 04:04 PM

Lotta people are turning heads by the Zelda koisks. Maybe people will accept cel shading.

XzenoGear · 02-02-2003, 04:07 PM

I suppose that Zelda is the only game where gameplayers are starting to like the cel shaded look.

Alucard · 02-02-2003, 10:56 PM

Well cell shading isn't entirely new. But I think people liked the way Jet Set Radio looked too. And a few other games I can't remember right now. I dont think it was the cell shading that made people flinch at Zelda. But more the complete child like way they drew him. It definately made me think twice when I first saw it. But I'm grabbing the game for sure now.

Mutter · 02-03-2003, 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by Alucard
Well cell shading isn't entirely new. But I think people liked the way Jet Set Radio looked too. And a few other games I can't remember right now. I dont think it was the cell shading that made people flinch at Zelda. But more the complete child like way they drew him. It definately made me think twice when I first saw it. But I'm grabbing the game for sure now.

On a TV show in England (Gamepad), the presenter showed disgust at the way the graphics had been taken. Not what the graphics were portraying. What I'm saying is maybe when people realise what cel shading is about, they won't be so dismissive?

Sturat · 02-03-2003, 09:58 PM

The cel-shaded characters look great in Zelda. (Well, at least Link and the enemies so, some of the townsfolk barely look better than on the N64 games...) What people should really complain about is the music in that game! Nintendo just refuses to spend the money on a good soundtrack and voiceacting in their games. Waverace Bluestorm was a rare exception...

Vegetto · 02-03-2003, 10:27 PM

hey if it plays like zelda 64 im there

Mr Mort · 02-03-2003, 10:42 PM

I think its crazy how many people dislike cel shading. I for one, think it a great thing, given that it's implemented correctly and on the right kind of game.
I had no doubt that Zelda would be great with cel-shading. If anything, it's going to revert it back to the cartoony style of the original Zelda and A Link to the Past.
Auto Modelista looks quite impressive as well, and who would have thought of making a Gran Tourismo game with cel-shading, but it works. In addition, Viewtiful Joe, Black & Bruised, and plenty of others look promising as well.
As long as the gameplay is great, and it fits the game well, I think cel shading is pretty cool.

Black Sugar · 02-04-2003, 11:34 AM

I don't think that Zelda didn't do well because of the cel-shading but because he look younger than usual

Reality · 02-04-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Black Bahamut
I don't think that Zelda didn't do well because of the cel-shading but because he look younger than usual

I relate most with this post. I'm debating with myself on if I don't like Celda's look how will gamplay really change my mind? That's like if I don't like horror movies how is going to watch because it's the best out there going to change my mind? I'm sure Zelda's gamplay is very solid, every review I have ever read says it is just Celda isn't something I could play at when trying to take in the graphics, get into it.

To clear it up more though it's not the Cel-Shading. I'm cool with it. It's just the character design I dislike. I dislike how Link was made and I dislike how all the characters are like that. I believe that was the reason Celda sold as it did. It's Gamplay was solid, it's Graphics were solid also but it's characters were very abstract. That's just something I can't get into.

My new concern is I won't pick up the titles at all. I decided to down load some movies and see if those could change my mind, in the end I wasn't happy. In one movie I got see Link use his wild spin attack. After doing though he had to sit because he was so dizzy, they even had stars rotating around his head.

Now for Mario I wouldn't mind that because I play Mario to have my beautiful cartoon fun. He was always like that to me. I took Zelda more seriously after Oot but this is just IMO.:big smile

yellowlightman · 02-04-2003, 02:58 PM

I don't think people mind cel-shading per se, its just that when an established franchise like Zelda makes a big graphical switch like that, THAT's when it bothers people.

In games like Robotech, where its supposed to look like a cartoon, people don't mind because its just recreating the cartoon experience in video game form, and Robotech was originally a cartoon.

Just takes a while for people to get used to new things I suppose.

02-02-2003, 01:52 PM	#1
Mutter Olimar is my mate Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Bedfordshire Posts: 277	Weening the people onto cel shading Games like Zelda get alot of (bad) attention because of them being cel shaded. But is it possible that non-believers will get 'weened' onto it by such cel shaded games as Killer 7? Take cartoonsfor example - sure they are thought to be made for kids, but adults still enjoy Batman of the Future, or Samurai Jack, for instance. This is because thjey have learnt that cartoons have different levels of maturity and the demographic does go older. So, instead of a title instantly being dismissed as 'kiddy' or simple, will people see it and go- 'wow, hope its cool'? If they have had experience with cel shaded games targeted for older consumers, will that mean they may actually become attracted to such games? Your thoughts?

02-02-2003, 04:07 PM	#3
XzenoGear TruE_soNy_paTriOt Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: UK Posts: 1,274	I suppose that Zelda is the only game where gameplayers are starting to like the cel shaded look. __________________ most wanted RE5(ps3) FF13(ps3) GT5(ps3) HEAVY RAIN(ps3)KillZone2(ps3) PSN ID: Xzenogear

02-04-2003, 02:58 PM	#11
yellowlightman Gundam you. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: CA Posts: 106	I don't think people mind cel-shading per se, its just that when an established franchise like Zelda makes a big graphical switch like that, THAT's when it bothers people. In games like Robotech, where its supposed to look like a cartoon, people don't mind because its just recreating the cartoon experience in video game form, and Robotech was originally a cartoon. Just takes a while for people to get used to new things I suppose. __________________ The Yellowlightman 16-Bit Human -my video games blog

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02-02-2003, 04:04 PM	#2
Lovely Drug Guest Posts: n/a	Lotta people are turning heads by the Zelda koisks. Maybe people will accept cel shading.

02-02-2003, 10:56 PM	#4
Alucard Konami Whore Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 26,272	Well cell shading isn't entirely new. But I think people liked the way Jet Set Radio looked too. And a few other games I can't remember right now. I dont think it was the cell shading that made people flinch at Zelda. But more the complete child like way they drew him. It definately made me think twice when I first saw it. But I'm grabbing the game for sure now.

02-03-2003, 09:58 PM	#6
Sturat Jaded since 1994. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Minnesota Posts: 107	The cel-shaded characters look great in Zelda. (Well, at least Link and the enemies so, some of the townsfolk barely look better than on the N64 games...) What people should really complain about is the music in that game! Nintendo just refuses to spend the money on a good soundtrack and voiceacting in their games. Waverace Bluestorm was a rare exception...

02-03-2003, 10:27 PM	#7
Vegetto Alive Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 8,862	hey if it plays like zelda 64 im there

02-03-2003, 10:42 PM	#8
Mr Mort Giganticus breathalizer Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Maryland, formerly Quebec Posts: 171	I think its crazy how many people dislike cel shading. I for one, think it a great thing, given that it's implemented correctly and on the right kind of game. I had no doubt that Zelda would be great with cel-shading. If anything, it's going to revert it back to the cartoony style of the original Zelda and A Link to the Past. Auto Modelista looks quite impressive as well, and who would have thought of making a Gran Tourismo game with cel-shading, but it works. In addition, Viewtiful Joe, Black & Bruised, and plenty of others look promising as well. As long as the gameplay is great, and it fits the game well, I think cel shading is pretty cool.

02-04-2003, 11:34 AM	#9
Black Sugar put some sugar on top... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Montreal Posts: 1,827	I don't think that Zelda didn't do well because of the cel-shading but because he look younger than usual