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b0b
07-21-2002, 11:05 PM
I read PSM, on two pages mention rare on PS2, one says they've had devkits for months, the other in the + and - section of PSM listed Perfect Dark Zero as a + for PS2, OXM on a page has an article informing us Rare has had Xbox Devkits for months this article also mentions Perfect Dark Zero, Rare has not denied any of this nor has it said a single word about this, which in this industery usual means it's true we're just not allowed to comment on it, now this doesn't mean Rare won't develop for GC as I wouldn't believe that in a mintue Rare and Nintendo have a great relationship, but I see no reason why Nintendo would care if Rare wants to take the franciases they created and have them go multiplatform, Rare is one if not the top development studio in existance, these are the titles rare owns, Perfect Dark, Conkers, BattleToads, Banjo + ?, Killer Instinct, Kameo: Elements of Power.

frankly this is massively good news for both PS2 and Xbox, moreso for Xbox however as this is a major player to set up and bring it's games to the power of the box.

The PSM in question is Issue 60, July 2002, on the cover in the lower in a yellow it clearly states "Rare's first PS2 game: Perfect Dark 2?"

The OXM in question I dont know what issue or month it is but it has Superman on it. the article is located on the buttom left hand side

Alucard
07-22-2002, 07:10 AM
I wouldn't look at anything that isn't straight from Nintendo or Rare themselves. LAst week Rare said they weren't doing anything for anyone else at the moment. That magazine isn't Sony themselves talking. So I wouldn't pay any attention to it.

Kid0_oIcarus
07-22-2002, 01:10 PM
Don't even get me started on these rumors- they've been around how long? Since last Christmas!? Stemmed fromg a greeting card!?

Seriously. Think about it.

b0b
07-22-2002, 08:12 PM
if two different magazines for two different platforms say the same exact thing i'm inclined to believe it, and as for the post card when have we known rare to be honest about any thing they do? as for not believing it i'm sorry the way it works is if it wasn't true they would of offcial announced it wasn't true they have not done that, if you can post a link to anything recent from the offcial rare site that says there not developing on Xbox and PS2 go ahead but if you think there silence means there not then your wrong, Xbox & PS2 are the perfect places for PD:0 & a new harsher better looking Conkers, I know Rare will always have a good relationship with Nintendo, therefor there's always going to be Rare on the Nintendo platform, there is a ton of difference between a postcard with these systems pictured on it and Rare purchasing DEV KITS, both these publications say they have dev kits which is really weird if there not using them period.

Black Ace
07-22-2002, 09:34 PM
", these are the titles rare owns, Perfect Dark, Conkers, BattleToads, Banjo + ?, Killer Instinct, Kameo: Elements of Power."

Sorry but, Killer Instinct and Banjo Kazooie are copyrighted to Nintendo, so ultamitely, Nintendo owns them.

b0b
07-22-2002, 10:08 PM
318 posts and your still wrong that's sad.

rare owns ki and banjo whatever.

aneep
07-22-2002, 10:27 PM
i have post about this in many other boards

Rare doesn't own Killer Instinct

anything else u mention above are probably owned by Rare (Banjo series, i'm not sure though)

i'm positive Rare owns
Perfect dark
Conker
gemini something or rather (my mind is muddy, hehe, sorry)

Killer Instinct, Diddky Kong, and other Nintendo related IPs (StarFox) is owned by Nintendo

and i have no comment on Rare, let them speak about it themselves :)

-aneep-

Black Ace
07-23-2002, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by b0b
318 posts and your still wrong that's sad.

rare owns ki and banjo whatever.

I'll pretend I didn't see that.

b0b
07-23-2002, 05:01 AM
your morons, Killer Instinct is wholy owned and developed by Rare, Nintendo & Rare have a good working relationship but thinking that Nintendo owns Rares property is just idiotic. you people talk like you think Nintendo owns Rare which in fact they don't Rare is an independant developer who is allowed to use Nintendos characters, everything Rare has developed without Nintendo characters in it is wholly owned by Rare Ltd. thank you I'll be fallowing this post up with a link to the complete history of Rare so I can dispel all your myths

Alucard
07-23-2002, 09:11 AM
My friend b0b, you are not making any friends from the way you are acting. Sadly I can't find the actual article where the person from Rare is asked about the multiplatform thing and denied, but I can give you other stuff.

http://www.cube-europe.com/newsphp/news.php?id=1161

Thats the best I can give for now and probably all you should need as that is from the OFFICIAL Nintendo magazine. At least I assume so since I've never read it cause its in a different country. Every couple months Rare is in the news denying this or that. Remember how they all said Activision had just grabbed Rare and was publishing their games? Then a little later Rare came out and quote, Rare said the rumours were "a load of old cobblers".

This is another bit for the "Killer Instinct" thing.

Killer Instinct 3 was being developed by Rare for Gamecube but RareOps recently received word back from Leigh Loveday of Rareware, denying the game is in development.


Anyway, ignore your magazines unless Rare or Nintendo say otherwise. Its that simple.

Kid0_oIcarus
07-23-2002, 12:16 PM
Anyway, perhaps you know more than I do; but, Rare has denied this thing no less than three times. Still, the rumors live on though- as rumors tend to.

If they did buy dev kits, it could just be too see the power of the systems they're up against. It could be anything. Maybe they enjoy keeping the rest of the world confused. I've started and posted many threads on the Rare issue, and my suggestion is to just wait and see.

Maybe they will develop for other platforms, maybe they won't. Getting into an argument over the issue is silly.

Black Ace
07-23-2002, 03:13 PM
Originally posted by b0b
your morons, Killer Instinct is wholy owned and developed by Rare, Nintendo & Rare have a good working relationship but thinking that Nintendo owns Rares property is just idiotic. you people talk like you think Nintendo owns Rare which in fact they don't Rare is an independant developer who is allowed to use Nintendos characters, everything Rare has developed without Nintendo characters in it is wholly owned by Rare Ltd. thank you I'll be fallowing this post up with a link to the complete history of Rare so I can dispel all your myths

Have you played Killer Instinct games? When you boot it up, it says "Copyright Nintendo". Also, have you ever checked patent and copyright to see who is the owner?

My last post on this issue. Why waste my time when I know I am right.

Alucard
07-23-2002, 03:32 PM
The details for Killer Instinct Gold on the N64 is
Publisher
Nintendo

Developer
Rare

aneep
07-23-2002, 06:09 PM
hehe

i seriously have a problem when someone just can't check for themselves wether Rare own this or that before saying they do

i checked them again , peruse at your leisure

Rare owns (well most of the items in the list)

from
http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=toc&state=iakfpu.1.1&p_search=searchstr&Search+History=&p_L=100&p_plural=no&p_s_PARA1=rare&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA1%24ALL&expr=PARA1+and+PARA2&p_s_PARA2=game&p_tagrepl%7E%3A=PARA2%24ALL&a_default=search&a_search=Submit+Query


Serial Number Reg. Number Word Mark Check Status Live/Dead
1 76336296 IT'S MR. PANTS TARR LIVE
2 76014030 RAREWARE TARR LIVE
3 76255721 SABREWULF TARR LIVE
4 76238374 KAMEO TARR LIVE
5 76269729 EPSON PHOTOSTUDIO TARR LIVE
6 76224834 EPSON CARDMONITOR TARR LIVE
7 76194265 OE EPSON INTEGRATED TARR LIVE
8 76194254 OE EPSON IN TECHRATED TARR LIVE
9 76252616 RARE FISH TARR LIVE
10 76032788 PERFECT DARK EVOLUTION TARR LIVE
11 76285376 EPSON PHOTOGARDEN TARR LIVE
12 76135973 FROZEN POND TARR LIVE
13 76285375 EPSON PHOTOIMAGINATION TARR LIVE
14 76304871 EPSON RC TARR LIVE
15 76295291 EPSON COLORREALITY TARR LIVE
16 76025041 SCREEN FREE TARR LIVE
17 76014755 R RAREWARE TARR LIVE
18 76272624 PRINT IMAGE MATCHING TARR LIVE
19 76203518 CONKER'S OTHER BAD DAY TARR LIVE
20 76122520 EPSON MATRIXCCD TARR LIVE
21 76253767 JOANNA DARK TARR LIVE
22 76203519 GRABBED BY THE GHOULIES TARR LIVE
23 76156006 SHOT IN THE DARK TARR LIVE
24 76052248 CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY TARR LIVE
25 76028946 EPSON PIEZO GRAPH TARR DEAD
26 76014027 RARE TARR LIVE
27 75896600 VELVET DARK TARR DEAD
28 75830935 EPSON ACULASER TARR LIVE
29 75784930 2574992 EPSON SMART PANEL TARR LIVE
30 75882236 2566506 COLOR IMAGING EPSON TARR LIVE
31 75703261 NUTCRACKER TARR DEAD
32 75853441 CONKER'S BAD FUR DAY TARR LIVE
33 75980643 2483784 CONKER'S POCKET TALES TARR LIVE
34 75977811 TIMBER TARR DEAD
35 75924639 DATADYNE TARR LIVE
36 75923042 RAREPATH TARR LIVE
37 75909416 CONKER'S BFD TARR DEAD
38 75891968 AFTER DARK TARR DEAD
39 75882235 2431301 ACUPHOTO HALFTONING TARR LIVE
40 75846352 PERFECTHEAD TARR DEAD
41 75806942 NEW YORK 9 TARR LIVE
42 75790907 PERFECT DARK TARR LIVE
43 75790904 JET FORCE GEMINI TARR LIVE
44 75788270 EPSON PHOTOQUICKER TARR LIVE
45 75788269 EPSON PHOTOGARDEN TARR DEAD
46 75788268 EPSON PHOTOIMAGINATION TARR DEAD
47 75481468 TWELVE TALES CONKER 64 TARR DEAD
48 75481466 CONKER'S POCKET TALES TARR DEAD
49 75479235 DINOSAUR PLANET TARR LIVE
50 75457195 2419561 PERFECT DARK TARR LIVE
51 75434236 2330218 JET FORCE GEMINI TARR LIVE
52 75354755 2312879 CARDPRESSO TARR LIVE
53 75352602 PIPSY TARR DEAD
54 75352570 TIP TUP TARR DEAD
55 75352569 TAJ TARR DEAD
56 75279502 CONKER 64 TARR DEAD
57 75275623 ANIMAL CRACKERS TARR LIVE
58 74115248 1901256 PIMPLE TARR DEAD
59 74115250 1899978 ZITZ TARR DEAD
60 74115249 1899977 RASH TARR DEAD
61 74454456 2022337 MONSTER MAX TARR LIVE
62 74093764 1879034 BATTLETOADS TARR DEAD
63 74093763 1879262 BATTLEMANIACS TARR DEAD
64 74716754 2183213 RAREWARE TARR LIVE
65 74534874 2064326 RAREWARE TARR LIVE
66 74372184 1822457 BLITZ-BACKGAMMON TARR DEAD
67 74371870 1941423 BATTLETOADS IN RAGNAROK'S WORLD TARR LIVE
68 74342473 1844167 HYPER-BACKGAMMON TARR DEAD
69 74297482 1818523 X THE BALL TARR DEAD
70 74215564 WARHOGS TARR DEAD
71 74168476 1754550 RARE TARR LIVE
72 74143313 DESERT STORM TARR DEAD
73 74113584 1699220 SOLAR JETMAN TARR DEAD
74 74102723 1745258 LEGEND OF THE LOST CITY TARR DEAD
75 73835992 1634212 TABOO THE SIXTH SENSE TARR DEAD
76 73781540 TABOO THE SIXTH SENSE TARR DEAD


the 1st page only, and beware some of them are not really related to Rare or even a game, but u get the idea

now on to Killer Instinct

from here
http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=iakfpu.3.43


Typed Drawing


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Word Mark KILLER INSTINCT
Goods and Services IC 028. US 022 023 038 050. G & S: electronic game equipment for playing video games, electronic game programs, video game software, computer game software, hand-held electronic games, game programs for hand-held electronic games, video game cartridges. FIRST USE: 19940922. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19950926
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 74506654
Filing Date March 28, 1994
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Published for Opposition May 9, 1995
Registration Number 1953686
Registration Date January 30, 1996
Owner (REGISTRANT) Nintendo of America Inc. CORPORATION WASHINGTON 4820 - 150th Avenue N.E. Redmond WASHINGTON 98052
Attorney of Record Jerald E. Nagae
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Affidavit Text SECT 15. SECT 8 (6-YR).
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


end of discussion about that i suppose

if the trademark is owned by Rare, it would look something like this

from
http://tess.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=iakfpu.4.10


Typed Drawing


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Word Mark PERFECT DARK EVOLUTION
Goods and Services IC 009. US 021 023 026 036 038. G & S: audio cassette recorders; audio speakers; audio tape recorders; audio tapes containing music; baseball batting helmets, bicycle riding helmets, catchers' helmets, diving helmets, football helmets, helmets for in-line skating and skateboard helmets; batteries; battery adapters; binoculars; blank audio tapes; blank computer disks; blank video tapes; calculators; circuit boards; compact disc players; compact disks featuring music; computer game accessories, namely, joysticks, power transformers, battery packs; computer game cartridges; computer game disks; computer game programs; computer game software; computer keyboards, computer printers; computer peripheral mouse pads; computers; controller for television game sets; controller for video game machines; digital audio recorders; digital audio tape players; digital cameras; computer, digital, video and optical disk drives; video game machines for use with televisions; electronic game cartridges; electronic game programs; electronic game software; eyeglass cases; eyeglass frames; eyeglasses; interactive video game programs; magnetic disk recorders and players; musical sound recordings; musical video recordings; computer operating programs for game sets, games, machines, and apparatus, all recorded on memory cartridges, magnetic tapes, disks including magnetic disks and optical disks, integrated circuit-cards, microchips, electronic circuits and cassettes for use therewith; optical discs; optical disk recorders and players; optical filters; optical lens sights; optical mirrors; optical scanners; phonograph record players; phonograph records featuring musical recordings; photographic cameras; photographic projectors; pre-recorded compact discs, optical discs, and video and audio cassette tapes containing music, animated motion picture films, children's stories, comedic motion picture films, dramatic motion picture films. computer memories, namely magnetic cards, optical discs and semi-conductor hardware for electronic amusement apparatus adapted for use with display, including video displays, and television receivers; computer memories, namely, magnetic cards, optical discs and semi-conductor hardware for hand-held video game apparatus; computer memories, namely, magnetic cards, optical discs and semi-conductor hardware for television game sets; computer memories, namely, magnetic cards, optical discs and semi-conductor hardware for video game machines; computer memories, namely, magnetic cards, optical discs and semi-conductor hardware for video game machines adapted for use with display units; radios; sound and video cassette and disk recorders and players; sound and video records featuring music, children's entertainment and other entertainment content; spectacles; sunglasses; electric audio playback units with lights and speakers; telephones; television game sets; television receiving sets; 35 mm cameras; video cameras; video game accessories, namely, joysticks and peripheral electronic memory devices; video game cartridges; video game discs; video game programs; video game software; video game tapes; video tape recorders; video tapes containing children's entertainment, namely video games, fairy tales, children's stories, music; walked-talkies
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 76032788
Filing Date April 21, 2000
Filed ITU FILED AS ITU
Owner (APPLICANT) Rare Limited LIMITED COMPANY UNITED KINGDOM Manor Park, Twycross Nr. Atherstone, Warks ENGLAND CV9 3QN
Attorney of Record Jerald E. Nagae
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator LIVE


Rare owns many IPs, but Killer Instinct is not one of them

-aneep-

Alucard
07-23-2002, 06:15 PM
Now look what you've done b0b. Aneeps gone crazy.

Kid0_oIcarus
07-23-2002, 06:26 PM
Whoa- way to research aneep! :cool guy:

Now.. could you find out if I have any family in Florida with lots of money? Cross reference that list with people who give lots of donations and make charitable contributions and it'll be time for me to go family visiting!!

:D

b0b
07-23-2002, 10:33 PM
Bill was right, so was Alucard, so was Aneep who I thank the most for posting evidence he was right, I had no idea how Nintendo could of ended up owning KI so I checked Rareware.com

"Killer Instinct, a dazzling one-on-one beat-'em-up and one of the company's infrequent ventures into the coin-op market (X The Ball and Super Battletoads having been past attempts over the years), which found top place in the 1995 arcade popularity charts. Nintendo were so impressed with these achievements and the upcoming home version of Killer Instinct, its arcade sequel and plans for the DKC games to follow that they honoured Rare with the first fiscal partnership that they had ever undertaken with a company outside Japan, buying up a 25% share"

that explains how Nintendo owns KI, I never made mention of the Activision rumours, my views stem from rumours around PD:0 which said it was going to have online play, if this we're true then there is only one platform with the online infrastructure to handle that which of course is the Xbox.

Kid0_oIcarus
07-24-2002, 12:10 PM
Not necessarily- the xbox are the ones who've touted it the most, followed by Sony- who doesn't want to be left behind. The only exception is Nintendo, who wants to wait and see- but sources say - are busy making online games already.

We all know that Nintendo wanted to focus this year on their "big guns".. the question is- what will they focus on next year?

aneep
07-24-2002, 01:14 PM
Nintendo will have Pokemon GC in 2003 :)
and Zelda
true!

and no, i don't see Nintendo going online themselves anytime soon

if they manages to sell a bucketload of GCs this year (through Mario, SFA, Metroid), they don't have to worry anymore about keeping up the momentum,
with Miyamoto saying that something like 'console sales peak during the 2nd year' or something to that effect

-aneep-

Black Ace
07-24-2002, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by aneep
Nintendo will have Pokemon GC in 2003 :)
and Zelda
true!

and no, i don't see Nintendo going online themselves anytime soon

if they manages to sell a bucketload of GCs this year (through Mario, SFA, Metroid), they don't have to worry anymore about keeping up the momentum,
with Miyamoto saying that something like 'console sales peak during the 2nd year' or something to that effect

-aneep-

Sega said Nintendo is making online games, but keeping it as a secret. Mario Kart is definetly going online. Maybe F-Zero as well.

Havoc2049
07-24-2002, 05:36 PM
I think you are all wrong, Tradewest owns Battletoads. Tradewest was bought out by Midway, so now it is owned by Midway. j/k:crazy:

aneep
07-24-2002, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by Bill


Sega said Nintendo is making online games, but keeping it as a secret. Mario Kart is definetly going online. Maybe F-Zero as well.

hehe

an MS person also said the same thing (interview at TeamXbox) before E3
about Nintendo 'jumping into the online bandwagon with both feet'

and what did Nintendo reveal at E3 about its online plans? nothing

i think Nintendo's reluctance to embrace the online feature (like Sony and MS) will definitely reduce their brand awareness in this aspect if the online gaming take off like Sony and MS hopes

what i mean is if online gaming takes off this gen, then all next gen will have it
of course, by that time, ppl who wants to go online gaming will look at Sony and MS since they have done this before and are regarded as more experienced

PS: about the Gc modem/BB adapter, i heard the are only available through online (like Sega Direct maybe?)
what's that all about?

-aneep-