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cic?ron
05-08-2003, 07:03 AM
The japan times says sega refused both the offers of namco and sammy, but is still looking at the offers of EA, microsoft and a french videogame company (do u think atari? or UBI?) wich seems to be the favorite.


L'affaire Sega n'est pas pr?te de prendre fin puisque l'on apprend aujourd'hui via des quotidiens japonais que la firme du h?risson bleu aurait finalement refus? les deux offres de Namco et de Sammy, le g?ant du pachinko. Sega ?tudie cela pour que la fusion soit la plus b?n?fique possible ? la compagnie nippone. Il faut aussi ajouter ? cela que plusieurs compagnies sont encore en course pour s'allier ? Sega comme Electronic Arts, Microsoft et m?me une certaine compagnie fran?aise bien plac?e. Bref, on n'a vraiment pas fini d'en parler !

(Source : Nikkei - The Japan Times

DBJAY
05-08-2003, 10:31 AM
I think that there are only four companies left that could have the resources to acquire Sega: EA, MS, Ubi Soft, Sony.

In other news, Vivendi is selling off their games publishing/developing video game unit as they pull out of entertainment, and I beleive they are a more attractive buy than Sega at this point.

Havoc2049
05-08-2003, 12:40 PM
Atari(used to be Infogrames) might have the resources the merge or buy Sega.

cic?ron
05-08-2003, 04:26 PM
Yeah, I agree, they are big. I think it's the largest european...

ScornedGod
05-09-2003, 05:52 AM
Originally posted by DBJAY
I think that there are only four companies left that could have the resources to acquire Sega: EA, MS, Ubi Soft, Sony.

In other news, Vivendi is selling off their games publishing/developing video game unit as they pull out of entertainment, and I beleive they are a more attractive buy than Sega at this point.
The only company out of those four that i think would approve of is Ubi Soft. MS and Sony would ensure exclusivity which i dont want to see happen. EA would just end up 'westernising' Segas great games, which would be a shame. Only Ubi because i have no idea what could come out of it, so it would at least be interesting:P

Alucard
05-09-2003, 10:45 AM
What are you doing Konami! Make me happy and become one with my second, <first being Konami> favourite company! BUYBUYBUY!!!

cic?ron
05-09-2003, 11:00 AM
Originally posted by ScornedGod
The only company out of those four that i think would approve of is Ubi Soft. MS and Sony would ensure exclusivity which i dont want to see happen. EA would just end up 'westernising' Segas great games, which would be a shame. Only Ubi because i have no idea what could come out of it, so it would at least be interesting:P


well Ubi is really too small even if they have plenty off well selling titles (rayman, splintercell, vrally), Infogram (now atari), is much more bigger. Eventhough they have some financial problems, they might be able to merge with sega

aneep
05-12-2003, 12:46 AM
IFGM with their heavy debts? i doubt it, unless ETM sold really really well and the sequel to that also sold really really well

i only see MS and EA as possible buyer (parts or whole, or at least buying some stakes, like what EA did with DICE recently)

and between the two, i would prefer MS, EA will kill SEGA sooner or later, like what they did with Origin, Bullfrog, Westwood, etc, etc (and on that day Sega will be known as EA JAPAN)

-aneep-

Renegade X
05-12-2003, 04:35 AM
I think EA and MS are the only two companys that really stand a chance... unless the guys over at MS get a hold of some bad crack, I think in the end they will buy SEGA, it would be a real good boost to their game development. I wouldn't want EA to buy them, for one EA couldn't really support them, look at how many sub companies of EA there is... EA BIG, EA Sports, EA, EA Pacific.... then theres the internation branches... I mean, it would be yay we bough SEGA, now pick up your sevrens(sp?) pay and get the heck out of here.

ScornedGod
05-12-2003, 06:02 AM
ARRGH!!!!!
EA and MS would be terrible choices:irked"
EA would f#uck sega up too much
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Renegade X
05-12-2003, 06:44 AM
Originally posted by ScornedGod
ARRGH!!!!!
EA and MS would be terrible choices:irked"
EA would f#uck sega up too much
And I don't like MS's monopolistic practices

Well, I see it this way, if MS hadn't of bought Rare, Nintendo would of layed off some good workers, now those men and women not only have a more stable company (Mircosoft isn't going any where for a good 20 years at least) and they have a nice budget with which to work with. True, MS isn't the best over all company, but when it comes to games, they are really good about letting the developers do what they want and supplying the resources to do them.

ScornedGod
05-12-2003, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by Renegade X
Well, I see it this way, if MS hadn't of bought Rare, Nintendo would of layed off some good workers, now those men and women not only have a more stable company (Mircosoft isn't going any where for a good 20 years at least) and they have a nice budget with which to work with. True, MS isn't the best over all company, but when it comes to games, they are really good about letting the developers do what they want and supplying the resources to do them.
I'm not sure but wouldn't it have been Rare's fault for laying off the workers(i.e stamper bros.)?They were talented enough to get jobs anyway,but thats not the issue.If MicroSoft simply buy every gaming company they can (which they could do), the result is reduced competiton===crappier games------something I don't wish to happen.

Renegade X
05-12-2003, 12:53 PM
Originally posted by ScornedGod
I'm not sure but wouldn't it have been Rare's fault for laying off the workers(i.e stamper bros.)?They were talented enough to get jobs anyway,but thats not the issue.If MicroSoft simply buy every gaming company they can (which they could do), the result is reduced competiton===crappier games------something I don't wish to happen.

I don't really know to be honest, but you see, I really can't get behind anybody whos against mircosoft buying SEGA, because SEGA wants to be bought. Well has Mircosoft bought every game company?? Nope, and their not going to... right now SEGAs best shot is with Mircosoft, SEGA gets a huge bank account and resources to do whatever kind of games they want, Mircosoft benefits in that it gets a company that can help them in the japanese market, it's a perfect deal if you ask me, SEGA need money, Mircosoft needs more first/second party developers. I mean right now Mircosoft is mainly a RTS and Flight Sim game company, but those games are done really really well.

Pilotwings
05-12-2003, 02:19 PM
Originally posted by Renegade X
Well, I see it this way, if MS hadn't of bought Rare, Nintendo would of layed off some good workers, now those men and women not only have a more stable company (Mircosoft isn't going any where for a good 20 years at least) and they have a nice budget with which to work with. True, MS isn't the best over all company, but when it comes to games, they are really good about letting the developers do what they want and supplying the resources to do them.

lay of workers? you pulled that out of your where-no-sun-don't-shine. rare works indepandently up to 1994 when they joined nintendo, nintendo doesn't own the whole company, just halves. microsoft is just desperate, we all know that. they can't win, they buy it.

Reality
05-12-2003, 02:23 PM
A couple of point here Renegade X.

If Sega wanted to by bought out the most likely would have done all the years Microsoft tried to. They fact they are looking for companies like Sammy and Namco only tell me they are avoiding buyouts. To me Sega seems to be trying to make it through this with out being lost to someone. I wouldn't want Nintendo buying them. Same for Sony.

Point number 2. They wouldn't get anymore money then what Microsoft says the can have. There is little no no guaranty that they will see the huge banking your talking about.

I don't want Microsoft to buy them. I don't care what they need. I say, if you need something make it yourself. All they are doing is looking for good grounds to make some control. They tried to buy Nintendo, maybe half of all the 3rd parties out there now it's down to Sega.

cic?ron
05-12-2003, 03:02 PM
Originally posted by aneep
i only see MS and EA as possible buyer

Well if it's a merger, you don't need to buy, you merge.

aneep
05-13-2003, 05:04 AM
the thing is IFGM is alreday loaded with debts, that they neeed two GTA sizes games (i mean in sales of course, with one GTA around 8-9 million) before they can crawl back up

their savior could either be ETM and its sequels, or Driver 3 (series sold around 8 mil last time i check)

both Sammy and Namco are not going to buy also, they are looking for mergers, but they don't have debts (clean slate)

EA would seek shares, they cannout buy Sega outright unless they borrow some more cash (they did borrow around 1 bil to purchase VUG, dunno what happen to that, since VUG is still looking for buyers)

MS don't need to borrow any money, they can buy Sega, the question is wether they want to buy them whole or in parts (since Sega as a company also includes many unneeded branches like publishing , marketing, hw research , etc)

sigh, Sega shoot themselves in the foot i think, with their 'exclusives to each platform' strategy, they better adopt EA (most western publishers actually) way of doing multiplatform releases from the start

a lesson learnt through the hard way i guess

-aneep-

Renegade X
05-13-2003, 02:17 PM
Well If it's either shooting themselves in the foot(MS) or shooting themselves in the head(EA) I hope they go for the foot, so what about their exclusives for each platform? I think if Sega gets bought by MS it could only cause better competition between the 3 consoles.

Kid0_oIcarus
05-13-2003, 02:18 PM
What's this about Sega considering a French company? (Gasp.. Vivendi? But wait.. I thought they were looking to sell?? Bah- h8 rumors)

vherub
05-13-2003, 03:14 PM
i still dont understand how when sega dropped out of the hardware business, they were instantly hailed as a 3rd party juggernaut that would take the spot from ea, but now theyve become fodder
why would they need to merge with another company or be bought out?
are they that much a house of cards, have there fortunes plummeted this much?

Kid0_oIcarus
05-13-2003, 03:39 PM
I don't think they're in the red- they just have a lot of debts.

Oh, and I believe "mismanagement or lack of management" could be strong factors in there somewhere... They seem to have talent, and the tools.. but somehow always bungle it up?

Pilotwings
05-13-2003, 09:30 PM
sega should stays the way it is. no buy out or business merger.

sin75
05-18-2003, 11:22 AM
I think Sega is better off being bought by Microsoft but I would like to see Sega merge with Namco to become the number 1 largest game publisher/developer in Japan and maybe in overtake EA

I noticed that there's a "junior, senior etc member" at the bottom of your/my nickname. Do I have to do something to become a Senior/Almighty member of this forum???

Renegade X
05-18-2003, 04:56 PM
Originally posted by sin75
I think Sega is better off being bought by Microsoft but I would like to see Sega merge with Namco to become the number 1 largest game publisher/developer in Japan and maybe in overtake EA

I noticed that there's a "junior, senior etc member" at the bottom of your/my nickname. Do I have to do something to become a Senior/Almighty member of this forum???

I has to do with the number of your posts, after a certain number you can make your own little tag up.

aneep
05-18-2003, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by sin75
I think Sega is better off being bought by Microsoft but I would like to see Sega merge with Namco to become the number 1 largest game publisher/developer in Japan and maybe in overtake EA

I noticed that there's a "junior, senior etc member" at the bottom of your/my nickname. Do I have to do something to become a Senior/Almighty member of this forum???

overtaking EA in Japan is easy, since EA is not very big there :|
big publisher in Japan is Konami (with its multitude of anime licenses that we will never see here) and Nintendo
but overtaking EA the biggest publisher on xbox and PS2 (second biggest on GC after Nintendo)
EA is not just the biggest on those two platforms, but the biggest by far (no. 2 is way behind)

no way, it will take several more mergers (if they do merge) to overtake EA

-aneep-