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Icarus4578
11-10-2012, 12:47 PM
http://www.geekwire.com/2012/microsoft-diskinect-freeloading-tv-viewers/

What a wonderful idea: place a camera in your home to allow MS to count how many people are watching so that movie studios and the like can charge extra depending on # of persons present. If MS implements such technology into their products, it will be like shooting themselves in the foot, so I doubt that it will ever come to fruition.

Escaflowne2001
11-10-2012, 01:11 PM
Well they patented the idea about two years according to the article but I honestly don't see anything like that happening. That would be a pretty unhelpful idea for everyone involved and wouldn't do the movie companies any favors. Even if they might want it to.

KingOfSentinels
11-10-2012, 02:46 PM
Yeah, I doubt it'll happen and it'll get a lot of hate if it does, but purely on a technology standpoint that's a pretty nifty little trick. I'm getting Bladerunner-style visions of the future right now.

Joe Redifer
11-10-2012, 04:36 PM
Guess I'll have to take down that giant painting of The Last Supper I have behind the couch. Or just cover the camera or unplug Kinnect. Or just not buy it in the first place.

Northeastmonk
11-10-2012, 06:51 PM
:lol: You'd be the 13th disciple Joe.

eastx
11-11-2012, 02:09 AM
:lol: You'd be the 13th disciple Joe.

Joe is short for Judas, in this case anyway.

Icarus4578
11-11-2012, 10:52 AM
Guess I'll have to take down that giant painting of The Last Supper I have behind the couch. Or just cover the camera or unplug Kinnect.

From what I understand the camera senses 3D objects and can detect small human idiosyncrasies such as blinking.

Or just not buy it in the first place.

My thoughts exactly. Then again, as everyone else said, it's probably never going to come to fruition.

But just knowing that they came up with such a thing bothers me as it has nothing whatsoever to do with improving the experience for the consumer.

KingOfSentinels
11-11-2012, 11:01 AM
It has potential. It could bring just released movies to your home; like how you buy a ticket per person when off to the movies, the sensor tracks who is there and you basically rent a brand-new movie in the same way, pay per person watching. It'd most likely work out a lot cheaper than going to the movies and many people prefer watching from home.

But there's too many ways to 'cheat' the system, so it'll never work. But it's cool to see ways that technology is advancing, this sort of thing could be used in many more ways. :thumb-up:

Icarus4578
11-11-2012, 11:37 AM
It sure can. :/

When you purchase a movie on DVD or whatever, it's yours and you can watch it anytime with anyone you wish, without any additional costs, much less running the risk of letting others watch you in the privacy of your home.

If they really want to improve gaming, focus on the stuff that enhances the experience. When it comes down to it, gaming isn't really all that complex -- it's all about selling something that's fun. Gimmicks like the Wii-mote, PS Move and Kinect are cumbersome and unnecessary. Tell me, what is more simple than pressing a button?

stroopwafel
11-11-2012, 01:00 PM
It has potential. It could bring just released movies to your home; like how you buy a ticket per person when off to the movies, the sensor tracks who is there and you basically rent a brand-new movie in the same way, pay per person watching.

Yeah, there's nothing like the feeling of being constantly watched by a greedy corporation to enhance the experience!

Ridiculous idea. Not to mention a blatant invasion of privacy.

KingOfSentinels
11-11-2012, 01:11 PM
I think you need to get off your high-horse if you think companies want to watch you in your living room... like, really, you honestly think that? I can't speak for every company in the world but I'm 99.9% sure they've got better things to do than watch you watch a movie in your pants and scratch your balls.

Technology has come a long way you know. They don't need someone on-hand watching who's there. This new technology, this amazing new technology called a computer program could do it all for them! It's amazing!!

Now if you'll excuse me, my face has an urgent appointment with my palm.

stroopwafel
11-11-2012, 01:18 PM
I don't give a shit whether companies want to watch me in my living room anytime they want the mere fact that they can makes me uncomfortable enough.

And my guess is that accounts for most people. Hence why its a worthless idea.

KingOfSentinels
11-11-2012, 01:22 PM
Oh yeah, come to think of it the project's codename was "We just want to spy on you!". Those evil companies!!! *shakes fist*

stroopwafel
11-11-2012, 01:31 PM
Oh yeah, come to think of it the project's codename was "We just want to spy on you!".

Now you're just being ignorant and contradicting yourself because how otherwise would you define a company who wants to invade your privacy through a camera to decide how many people can watch a movie in your own goddamn living room?.

Please, really, enlighten me. Or better yet, don't.

KingOfSentinels
11-11-2012, 01:43 PM
Yeah, I'm wrong, they just want to spy on us. This is them wanting to spy on us. Evil bastards! It's like Nineteen Eighty-Four!

Badrats Studio
11-11-2012, 01:55 PM
if you think companies want to watch you in your living room... like, really, you honestly think that? I can't speak for every company in the world but I'm 99.9% sure they've got better things to do than watch you watch a movie in your pants and scratch your balls.

Not exactly watching, but imo it's more like learning / surveying the behavior of the customer with that camera. For example : if commercial X shown, is the customer watch it or they goes to the toilet / changing channel / etc.

I'm sure don't want that happens in my living room.

KingOfSentinels
11-11-2012, 02:03 PM
I'm surprised that's the first thought people jumped to. Kinect will track and identify the people in the room and send this data to a secure server which will adjust parameters accordingly. That's realistically what the program will be set up to do. What you're saying could happen wouldn't allow the companies to learn anything new, or anything a simple survey or questionnaire couldn't also do for a lot cheaper and for much less hassle, and also on a much wider scale.

People just like to try and make companies out to be villains, or knock new technology and this seems to cloud common sense and rational thinking. Nothing's wrong with being skeptical but I'm surprised something so un-realistic and impractical was the thought people jumped to first.

Northeastmonk
11-11-2012, 02:11 PM
yeah my kinect has sat in the corner since ME3 was out. Something like a tablet would be more functional. But I'm still on the edge about using a tablet unless the technology is good, its just not that interesting atm.

stroopwafel
11-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Not exactly watching, but imo it's more like learning / surveying the behavior of the customer with that camera. For example : if commercial X shown, is the customer watch it or they goes to the toilet / changing channel / etc.


Yeah indeed its very naive to believe this technology won't be used to track and monitor behavior. From an advertisers standpoint its one of the most efficient and narrowed down methods to target your audience. I'm pretty sure this marriage between MS and advertisers was one of the main reasons behind this idea in a further attempt to exploit your consumers for even more profit

Icarus4578
11-11-2012, 10:09 PM
Outside of real-time monitoring of individuals anywhere at anytime, this is the next-best thing. Think about it: you're setting up a camera in your house which can be accessed by outside sources without your knowledge. Not a good idea, particularly if you value your privacy.

We've enjoyed movies, music and video games just fine for decades without needing a camera trained on us. But hey, if MS or anyone else wants to crash and burn, let 'em try implementing this device as a mandatory feature in their new products. They will fail.

Einhander
11-12-2012, 03:32 AM
I keep a piece of duct tape over my laptop's computer permanently.

There's no telling what people get up to with shit nowadays.

What's naive is thinking people aren't going to abuse it.

Ernst
11-12-2012, 03:37 AM
Abhorrent.

Icarus4578
11-12-2012, 10:56 AM
I keep a piece of duct tape over my laptop's computer permanently.

There's no telling what people get up to with shit nowadays.

What's naive is thinking people aren't going to abuse it.

Did you hear about the students who took home their school-issued laptops only to find out that the camera were being accessed remotely by the teachers? Think about how disturbing it is when adults are sitting there watching their students at home without them even knowing.

If teachers were willing to do this, what makes you think a corporation or the government wouldn't?

Einhander
11-12-2012, 01:01 PM
Did you hear about the students who took home their school-issued laptops only to find out that the camera were being accessed remotely by the teachers? Think about how disturbing it is when adults are sitting there watching their students at home without them even knowing.

If teachers were willing to do this, what makes you think a corporation or the government wouldn't?

That's why I started doing it.

spider-prime
11-13-2012, 04:43 AM
They just want to see you masturbate to porn. Is that so much to ask for?

stroopwafel
11-13-2012, 09:15 AM
No surprise considering the amounts of pervs who get busted work in education.

Einhander
11-13-2012, 11:59 AM
They just want to see you masturbate to porn. Is that so much to ask for?

They need a bigger lens!

spider-prime
11-13-2012, 06:15 PM
Don't you mean one with a zoom lens?

Drunken Savior
11-13-2012, 11:30 PM
Not if he's making a great optical telescope joke.

Einhander
11-14-2012, 11:45 PM
No surprise considering the amounts of pervs who get busted work in education.

I work in education!

spider-prime
11-15-2012, 12:27 AM
it all starts to make sense now!

Einhander
11-15-2012, 12:30 PM
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