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Joe Redifer
06-30-2007, 04:08 AM
What if there was a console that ONLY played games? No movies, no music, no MP3s, no web surfing, no internet downloads, etc etc etc. Do you think the public would accept it? Would YOU accept it?

We're talking consoles here that cost $250 or more on average, not portables!

Meshugana
06-30-2007, 04:14 AM
yes, as a matter of fact i got rid of all my ..uhh.."frilled" consoles,alls i own now are my relics.....

darren
06-30-2007, 04:17 AM
anyone that says no is not a gamer IMO .. gamers play games, on game system ..

progmetal
06-30-2007, 05:38 AM
You can play games on anything today. As long as the games are good, whatever.

Escaflowne2001
06-30-2007, 05:59 AM
If it has good games then it's fine eitherway.

Alucard
06-30-2007, 07:24 AM
Consoles should JUST be for games. If I want the rest I'd already own it. Which I do. Why should I pay a billion for a bluray player when all I want to do is play the games. Piece of shit.

Nindalf
06-30-2007, 08:20 AM
Consoles should JUST be for games. If I want the rest I'd already own it. Which I do. Why should I pay a billion for a bluray player when all I want to do is play the games. Piece of shit.

but then you would miss out on killer apps like CASINO ROYALE

progmetal
06-30-2007, 08:54 AM
Or TALLADEGA NIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Reality
06-30-2007, 10:14 AM
I'm a neutral. I don't care a thing about surfing the web or IMing ect but I have a certain view on what is my money's worth. If the system is barely a upgrade but has a whole new higher then last gen price tag, then there better be other features in there to make up the cost. Or else I wouldn't buy any system at all. I'm all for game only systems in the belief prices would stay down from it but as we can see in this gen thats not a practice. Prices are high even when there doesn't seem to be a reason for it.

Chronos
06-30-2007, 10:30 AM
abosolutely would. bought my 360, xbox, ps2, ds, DC, etc, to play games on. the fact that they do other things is just bonus bells and whistles. for example, i was never into xbox live or any other bonus content until a couple months ago when i registered for the first time. the games will always be the heart of any system and in the long run decide its fate. which reminds me you never said if it would go online for coop/multi, because everyone likes that feature.

MarionetteKazuk
06-30-2007, 11:16 AM
Consoles should JUST be for games. If I want the rest I'd already own it. Which I do. Why should I pay a billion for a bluray player when all I want to do is play the games. Piece of shit.

If you weren't my son i'd hug you. But to answer joe's question yes I would. Every system I got, all the way up to (not including the psx) played only games, no music, online, etc. The psx was the first console i got that could play music which I rarely used because it's just something about playing music in it vs playing music in my stereo that i didn't like. As far as the public accepting it..... if there's enough oldschool game veterans then they would buy a "no-frills" console at the drop of a hat.

If I want the rest I'd already own it.
Exactly. When psx came out I already had a stereo that of course plays cd and a portable cd player. The ps2 comes out with dvd movie playback, but i already have at least 4 dvd players in my house. And of course the consoles that had "online" i could browse the web and play against ppl on my pc. I'd say that bluray is gonna be the only one that if (hypothetically) would get a ps3 that I wouldn't have a separate player that already plays bluray, mainly because i don't plan on using bluray.

Dr. Bombay
06-30-2007, 11:26 AM
Of course. I have other things to play music or watch movies on.

progmetal
06-30-2007, 11:31 AM
And PC's is made for games , the other stuff is just bonus. :D

Zachalmighty
06-30-2007, 11:53 AM
Yes I would but Id still like internet play, like ym PC has, except for free like my PC has. Wait.....fuck consoles, Ill just play on my new PC.

MarionetteKazuk
06-30-2007, 12:36 PM
That a boy *thumbs up*

spider-prime
06-30-2007, 03:59 PM
I would buy a console only if it didn't play games.

SavedFromSin
06-30-2007, 04:05 PM
alright, who is the loser who put no? everybody grab your stones, it is time for a witch hunt.

Meshugana
06-30-2007, 04:10 PM
alright, who is the loser who put no? everybody grab your stones, it is time for a witch hunt.
your avatar fills me with very intense anger.

Reko8
06-30-2007, 04:20 PM
anyone that says no is not a gamer IMO .. gamers play games, on game system ..

everything said here. topic closed

Drunken Savior
06-30-2007, 04:25 PM
WAIT! Does no frill mean NO WIRELESS CONTROLLERS!?

Vegetto
06-30-2007, 05:16 PM
definately would, I never use any of the add on crap on the new consoles anyway, its useless IMO, just an excuse to make the price tag higher

progmetal
06-30-2007, 06:11 PM
Yeah it's better to have those wired, so the kids can trip on them and make my console fall over.. no wait.....

Joe Redifer
06-30-2007, 06:59 PM
I don't consider wireless a "frill", but it is nice not to have to buy batteries. Yeah I know what you're thinking.... "USE RECHARGABLES U FAG OMG LOL WTF U SUK GO 2 HELL!!!!" But you still have to buy the rechargeable batteries and the charger(s). And with wired controllers you never have to worry if it has a good charge or not.

Nano Fox
06-30-2007, 07:14 PM
I buy consoles for two reason, 1st are they moddable? 2nd do the games it consists of have the entertainment it can to be enjoyful to me?

darren
06-30-2007, 07:26 PM
alright, who is the loser who put no? everybody grab your stones, it is time for a witch hunt.

can we not change it to public so we can name and shame ... :lol:

Joe Redifer
06-30-2007, 08:23 PM
I could look if I wanted to. But I am too lazy.

Kiryu1985
06-30-2007, 10:58 PM
I voted no, if the console supports DVD discs, then why not have it play DVD movies, yes its nothing special, but along time ago I bought a PAL magazine which had a pal dvd on it, now my DVD can't play PAL, so the PS2 came to the rescue, with an action replay I just stuck it in and it played like normal. Sure I could of taken DVDshrink ripped the dvd (which takes roughlly 20-30 minutes), but why take an extra step and waste time.

Anyways thats my reason, also back in 1996 when the PS1 was still new, people still listened to cassete tapes, and CD players were still quite expencive, so having a machine that could play them was quite nice.

Zachalmighty
06-30-2007, 11:16 PM
Oh yeah didnt someone post here that the original playstation one was actually a very valuable piece of audio equipment.

Still no frills would be nice and cheaper too.

Tavish
06-30-2007, 11:24 PM
So... You mean the SNES, right?

Reality
06-30-2007, 11:33 PM
anyone that says no is not a gamer IMO .. gamers play games, on game system ..

While I agree about gamers playing games, I don't think thats a comment with fairness. I mean the Wii has a lot of worthless features right? Weather, news, net, ect. But everyone Wii owner has used them. Either for fun or serious use. And the 360 has a great online set up. Which wouldn't happen if it was all about buying and playing games only. I mean something I don't think I would need like a movie DL service but VoiP in games/systems are welcome.

Yoshi Girl
06-30-2007, 11:49 PM
I haven't use the extra Wii stuff, my computer is w/in 20 feet of it.

Reality, I just noticed you're from Ohio, what part? (sorry if we've been over this.. I'm old and have a bad memory)

Reality
07-01-2007, 12:44 AM
Hillsboro Ohio. About 20-30 mins away from Cincin.

Joe Redifer
07-01-2007, 12:50 AM
Maybe you two could hook up for some sex?

Why did the mood suddenly get so awkward in here?

Reality
07-01-2007, 12:57 AM
Yeah sure. Why not. Just have dinner ready. I never sleep on a empty stomach.

Joker
07-01-2007, 01:02 AM
Isn't Reality like... younger than her?

Vegetto
07-01-2007, 01:33 AM
since when does that matter in this crazy world

Icarus4578
07-01-2007, 02:44 AM
I liked it when the older consoles came out and were made for the sole purpose of making games. More developers focused all their energy into making the best games they could, resulting in a competitive atmosphere that wasn't just to see who could create the ultimate set-top box. That's why systems like the NES, Genesis, etc. smoke the newer consoles, even though many of the games have lost their original luster. Then again, how many more times can you play through Barbie Super Model and expect to be thrilled by it?

darren
07-01-2007, 03:00 AM
While I agree about gamers playing games, I don't think thats a comment with fairness. I mean the Wii has a lot of worthless features right? Weather, news, net, ect. But everyone Wii owner has used them. Either for fun or serious use. And the 360 has a great online set up. Which wouldn't happen if it was all about buying and playing games only. I mean something I don't think I would need like a movie DL service but VoiP in games/systems are welcome.

and a gamer whould have bought the system if the features were not there ..

anyone that would not buy a wii coz the weather channel is not there is not a gamer .. my point stands.

Meshugana
07-01-2007, 03:27 AM
this is a lame argument, i mean didnt yous guys purchase the snes,nes,genesis,atari etc.

MarionetteKazuk
07-01-2007, 03:44 AM
and a gamer whould have bought the system if the features were not there ..

anyone that would not buy a wii coz the weather channel is not there is not a gamer .. my point stands.

QFT :clap:

Reality
07-01-2007, 09:50 AM
and a gamer whould have bought the system if the features were not there ..

anyone that would not buy a wii coz the weather channel is not there is not a gamer .. my point stands.

I suppose in the term of being a "true to form" gamer that would apply.

darren
07-01-2007, 09:54 AM
infact anyone that would not buys the Wii if the weather / news channels were not there are not only not gamers but total dicks as well

Reality
07-01-2007, 10:06 AM
That would be a way weird of a reason to not purchase a game system. But in all fairness gamers don't have to own every system in order to be a gamer. While their reasons differ for owning any system, not buying a Wii doesn't make your gamer title void. Even if it is for a super stupid reason. Take everyone in this forum for example. None of us have a N-Gage. At least none have admitted to it. Even though it is a gamer cell phone.

But I'm sorry. This sounds more like I'm trying to argue.

darren
07-01-2007, 10:17 AM
That would be a way weird of a reason to not purchase a game system. But in all fairness gamers don't have to own every system in order to be a gamer.

never said it did ..

not buying a Wii doesn't make your gamer title void. Even if it is for a super stupid reason.


never said it did ...

....

only ever said that anyone that says no to this poll is not a gamer ..

But I'm sorry. This sounds more like I'm trying to argue.

your not one of the two no's are you? :lol: :lol:

Reality
07-01-2007, 10:27 AM
Eh. I think I'll just shut up right now. :P

MarionetteKazuk
07-01-2007, 01:47 PM
And you should, for in 5 years you will die.

Pikachief
07-01-2007, 04:47 PM
What if there was a console that ONLY played games? No movies, no music, no MP3s, no web surfing, no internet downloads, etc etc etc. Do you think the public would accept it? Would YOU accept it?

We're talking consoles here that cost $250 or more on average, not portables!

yea i am gonna get a wii.... internet on that isnt free anymore :P

im not gonna spend extra for something i have on a PC(roms, internet), nor am i gonna try to put something on their that i already have on my ipod(music pictures)

justin_credible
07-01-2007, 04:56 PM
31 yes 2 no

that's
93.9993999399939993999399939994% yes
6% no

FU Sony

Joe Redifer
07-01-2007, 05:28 PM
yea i am gonna get a wii.... internet on that isnt free anymore :P
What the hell are you talking about? I can turn on my Wii and browse the internet and it's FREE and soooooooooooo awesome. Well compared to all of the "great" games out for the Wii right now it is. Are you Canadian or something?

darren
07-01-2007, 06:10 PM
no .. you have to pay for the browser as of the 1st july if you do not have it

Joe Redifer
07-01-2007, 06:30 PM
Must be an Opera thing. I know Opera likes to charge, and Opera is also one of the crappiest browsers in existence.

darren
07-01-2007, 06:38 PM
nope a nintendo thing .. if you want use oprea you have to pay to download it now

Joe Redifer
07-01-2007, 07:14 PM
Nintendo must really think people are fucking idiots. Why pay for a featureless browser that barely plays any type of web media?

darren
07-01-2007, 07:15 PM
same reason sony put all the xtra shit that no one uses in ps3 i guess

NES4EVER
07-02-2007, 04:41 PM
I buy the systems for the gaming purposes only, so ya, most definately.

I've never watched a DVD movie with my PS2 or XBOX, nor will I ever watch them in the PS3/360.

I have xfered music onto my xbox for custom sountrack games but it was in no way a selling point for me when buying the system.

Nano Fox
07-02-2007, 05:12 PM
I've never put a dvd into my ps2 to watch from, I've used my xbox as my sole gaming rig/dvd player cause of that nifty remote you have to buy... and since my tv is about 4 feet away from me i always listen to it while i watch a movie or gamin' while on the puter.

When i get the 360 this coming august it will only be for gaming and nothing else.

Tavish
07-02-2007, 05:52 PM
By the way, I voted yes, but that doesn't mean I don't use multimedia when it's in my console. In fact, my PS2 is (and has always been) my only DVD player.

I'm actually kind of disappointed that the Wii won't play DVDs, since if it did I could just leave it hooked up to the TV when I want to watch a movie.

And yes, I think Blu-Ray included on the PS3 is a good thing. Less clutter than buying a separate player.

On the other hand, image viewing and Internet browsing on consoles is pretty much useless... Not when everyone has a PC.

progmetal
07-02-2007, 06:30 PM
Picture viewing on the PS3 is excellent, and extremely fast. It's great to use to show a slide show on your television. And watching pictures with the "zooming in/out on faces" slideshow, it's like watching a movie.

darren
07-02-2007, 06:44 PM
like watching a movie? can the PS3 animate still pictures or something?

phknrocket1k
07-02-2007, 06:44 PM
What if there was a console that ONLY played games? No movies, no music, no MP3s, no web surfing, no internet downloads, etc etc etc. Do you think the public would accept it? Would YOU accept it?

We're talking consoles here that cost $250 or more on average, not portables!

I would pay around $200 tops for a "no frills" console.

If a console costs $300+, there has to be some fringe benefits involved or it must be very powerful.

shinobi00
07-02-2007, 08:48 PM
Hell yeah I would. Video game consoles are mainly for playing video games. All that other bullshit is nice, but it really isn't necessary.

progmetal
07-03-2007, 06:09 AM
like watching a movie? can the PS3 animate still pictures or something?

Yeah, with the portrait slide mode it detects faces, and panning and zoomin in/out on faces. Makes the slide show a little more alive. I'm sure you can do it on your PC or Mac, but it's not that many of us that have their PC connected to the TV all the time.

darren
07-03-2007, 07:26 AM
still a worthless feature for a videogames machine IMO .. they woudl have been better off makign some games rather tahn comig up wth that

progmetal
07-03-2007, 07:40 AM
The three games I have for the PS3, will be keeping me occupied until next year, but I need some games for the 360. I'll buy Forza 2 soon.

darren
07-03-2007, 07:42 AM
do you play PGR 3, Ridge Racer 6,Fifa 06 RTWC ?

just that u seem to have been playing Fifa for ages but your gamer score is 0. you could start playing that and save the cash you would have spent on forza.

blue dragon and bio shock are next for me on 360

progmetal
07-03-2007, 08:24 AM
I've been occupied with finishing PG3(Finished on normal) and RR6(20%), so I haven't played Fifa in ages.

darren
07-03-2007, 09:52 AM
RR6 must be gay for achievements dude .. only 5 from 20% of the game done .. thats fucked up

Joe Redifer
07-03-2007, 04:36 PM
Achievements in general are gay. I don't think I could buy a game called "FIFA 06 FTW". Sports games are gay. Gay gay gay!

progmetal
07-03-2007, 05:01 PM
lol, I bought fifa because it was cheap, and misread the title, believing it was the ordinary fifa 06.

The 5 achievements I got in RR6 was from only one online race.

phknrocket1k
07-03-2007, 05:54 PM
Anyway. I think most people would buy a no-frills console if the price is right. Next.

Joe Redifer
07-03-2007, 06:15 PM
Next? We're not done here, skippy.

George Foreman
07-03-2007, 11:38 PM
Achievements in general are gay. I don't think I could buy a game called "FIFA 06 FTW". Sports games are gay. Gay gay gay!

I don't know, the achievements for Dead Rising were pretty fun and if all were like that I'd probably enjoy them.

sharky~
07-04-2007, 11:42 AM
Yes yes and yes, In fact I HATE consoles with all these extras, DVD? Blue Ray? Egg Timer? wtf.. I miss the days when Games Consoles where games consoles.. The industry now is ABOUT what extra shit is on the console.. not the games anymore.

It would be literally IMPOSSIBLE for a Games only no frills console to be on top now days, As soon as DVD was put in the PS2 it killed off the DreamCast and ruined games consoles for ever.

NES4EVER
07-04-2007, 12:53 PM
As soon as DVD was put in the PS2 it killed off the DreamCast and ruined games consoles for ever.

I didn't buy a PS2 for its DVD player and I'll bet less than 25% of consumers bought it over the Dreamcast because of that feature.

It wasnt a dvd player in the PS2 that killed off the DC. Sega slowly killed themselves by shitting on its user-base and third party companies.

Supporting consoles for 2-3 years or less, major losses in third party companies like EA sports, making systems that werent developer friendly, pretty much ignoring the European market with DC among other things they fukd up between Genesis days and DC ones.

Its hard to stop the bleeding after that many losses by finally making a great system.

Its hard to say how many millions Sega lost with SegaCD/Pico/32X/Nomad/Game Gear/Saturn/Sega Channel....

sharky~
07-04-2007, 03:00 PM
I didn't buy a PS2 for its DVD player and I'll bet less than 25% of consumers bought it over the Dreamcast because of that feature.
Considering in Japan for the first 6 months the best selling software on the PS2 was the Matrix DVD I think you pulled this % out of nowhere, If the DC had a low price DVD player built in it would be a very different story.

Also considering that the Dreamcast is easy to develop for, The European Market got games that the USA didn't like Shenmue 2 and Fighting Vipers 2 and considering that the DC still gained one of the finest line ups of any console in a very short amount of time I don't know what you mean by shitting on there user base?.. Are you making this up as you go along?

MarionetteKazuk
07-04-2007, 03:06 PM
screw the dreamcast, i want that ps triple

NES4EVER
07-04-2007, 05:29 PM
Considering in Japan for the first 6 months the best selling software on the PS2 was the Matrix DVD I think you pulled this % out of nowhere, If the DC had a low price DVD player built in it would be a very different story.

Poll it up on any gaming site. You think more than 25% in here will say they bought PS2 over Dreamcast because it played DVDs? Yes, I made that up.. thats why I said "I bet less than 25%"

Also considering that the Dreamcast is easy to develop for

I didn't say the DC in particular was hard to develop for though EA used this as an excuse to drop support on the system. It was the Saturn that was hard to develop for.

The European Market got games that the USA didn't like Shenmue 2 and Fighting Vipers 2

Shenmue 2 was the only Euro game the US sorely missed, IMO anyway.

Euro missed games like Armada, Star Wars games, E.G.G, Evolution, Fatal Fury, Last Blade, MDK, 3rd Strike, Tony Hawks, TRLR, etc... Euro missed out a hella lot more than US.

Dreamcast (Outside the USA and Japan) - Some important games also lacked European releases. Many important titles were never released outside of Japan, and many were hard to find without importing them to the United Kingdom. Sega put most of its efforts into fighting the console war in the USA, disregarding European markets. While Dreamcast did receive a price cut in the USA to coincide with the PlayStation 2's American release, the European pricing remained the same, even when the PlayStation 2 was released in Europe.

Considering that the DC still gained one of the finest line ups of any console in a very short amount of time I don't know what you mean by shitting on there user base?.. Are you making this up as you go along?

I never claimed the DC had a shitty lineup for its brief time. I said it was Sega that slowly killed itself, not PS2's fuggin DVD feature you claim, which is obsurd.

Launching 4 consecutive systems with 3 years or less supporting them is shitting on your user base and your developers! Especially at what Sega was charging for the systems. The Saturn made it past 3 years but USA only saw about 2 good years of development.

sharky~
07-04-2007, 05:52 PM
I can't be bothered to get into this, But the DVD player on the PS2 was a big part of what killed the Dreamcast..

darren
07-04-2007, 06:04 PM
he's dead right about systems coming out way to close to each other .. 3 systems in 7 years was it?.

PS1 lasted 6 years ish
PS2 has lasted what 7 years ish

can understand why people woudl start to get a bit pissed off with sega .. like sony or not the systems life span is good and what it should be, segas turn around was not very customer thoughtful shall we say.

shinobi00
07-09-2007, 08:20 AM
I can't be bothered to get into this, But the DVD player on the PS2 was a big part of what killed the Dreamcast..

Hes 100% correct. I know at least 10 casual gamers who bought a ps2 over a DC because it played games and movies. I know people who still use their ps2 as a dvd player. The DVD player was definitely one of the main selling points of the ps2. The PS2 came out at a time where DVD players where just picking up steam in the market place.

darren
07-09-2007, 08:35 AM
then you know people with shit dvd players ... lol ..

progmetal
07-09-2007, 12:36 PM
Most people have shitty dvd players(me included), so the PS2 is good enough for your 14-28 inch SDTV..

Drunken Savior
07-09-2007, 07:55 PM
We're talking consoles here that cost $250 or more on average, not portables!

Wait...I'm paying WII prices for a console with LESS features than a Wii? Pass. Retroactively voting NO!

Joe Redifer
07-09-2007, 10:30 PM
Less features as it can't play CDs or browse to the internet, but it'd likely be capable of of HD graphics and 5.1 sound. There is nothing in my original post that says the console has to be weak graphically like a Gamecube... which the Wii is.

Drunken Savior
07-09-2007, 10:45 PM
Your post is loose. Like your mother! Can it even go on the internet? Why wouldn't it play audio CDs or DVDs? How much would I save by abandoning such features?

I'm a gamer, but I'd rather spend my money wisely than just assume this is a good deal, which it doesn't sound like it will be!

And I'll also say this. If you own a 360, did you get the cheaper CORE? or the real man's Premium, filled with 'useless' features?

Joe Redifer
07-09-2007, 11:04 PM
The core does everything the premium does. I don't consider a hard drive a "frill". But I do think that all Xbox 360's sold should include the hard drive, since that's the best way to handle game saves and such.

Drunken Savior
07-09-2007, 11:06 PM
So what is a 'frill' this generation? Just the ability to watch movies on a console?

MarionetteKazuk
07-09-2007, 11:50 PM
I think it means being able to watch movies, play audio cds, anything that involves some sorce of internet connection, pretty much anything that isn't a necessity for playing games on a console. An example would be for the wii. Taking off the online capabilities for it, any ability to save pictures onto it would make it "no frill".

Drunken Savior
07-09-2007, 11:59 PM
No HD? Just stereo?

[Edit] And wireless controllers aren't necessary, but I don't wanna go back to wired controllers! Wireless controllers just make the games a bit funner. A lot of these 'frills' that don't affect gaming directly make gaming, as a hobby, a lot more fun!

MarionetteKazuk
07-10-2007, 12:17 AM
I was gonna put about wireless controllers in my other post but didn't think you'd even mention them. but controllers are a necessary part of a console to be able to play it, wireless isn't exactly necessary to play on a console but it functions just the same as a wired controller, just as a wired phone works exactly the same as a cordless phone. As far as HD and sound goes, from what I understand certain tvs (hd from what i can think of) need a certain kind of output from the consoles. So a console would need hd to even be able to display correctly on a tv, so i don't even think hd would be considered a necessity since the tv needs that output from the console to be able to show it. But.... you just have to remember a frill is

Something that is desirable but not a necessity; a luxury

Joe Redifer
07-10-2007, 12:23 AM
Like I said when you asked at the beginning of the thread, DS, things like wireless controllers don't count. That's related directly to the game system and games themselves. So is HD video and 5.1 audio. That's just hardware evolution. Marionette is mostly right... things like watching movies, listening to CDs, looking at photos, listening to MP3s via attached flash cards, etc. Internet connection can be included as games can be played online, but not web browsing/streaming AV from your computer, etc.

Drunken Savior
07-10-2007, 06:36 AM
Ok, I'm down with all that. I don't need my console to be a media center. I have a computer that does that WAY better. Thought I bet my PS3 will be my FIRST Blu-Ray player. So I'm kinda glad about that. Not like I wanna go out and get another Blu-Ray player in addition to my PS3.

I got a HD TV, eat me. I like the picture way more than a regular tube.