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Alucard
11-15-2002, 01:50 PM
Yes thats right.. I said they suck and suck hardcore at that. Theres multiple reasons as to why they suck. Pages full of reasons can be given easily. Some say well dont go to the site then, as if this is the most ultimate of come backs for fans of IGN. I say, go run around in my corn fields so that you may be captured by Icarus and devoured. I do not go to their site unless someone points me to something there.

But thats beside the point. My new little rant stems from ANOTHER site. A site where a guy had up a VERY cool preview of how DOAX plays. He mentioned how the actual volleyball game flows very nicely and is addictive as hell. He mentioned the way gifts are given to other female members in order to make them play better with you, because you need to keep an eye on how they are feeling always. And also about how some girls will not join you no matter what if you are a certain character. etc etc I dont remember everything but it actually got me very interested in this game. More then before. It actually sounds pretty cool. So I go there to cut and paste the address and give to a friend for them to read and OHNO LOOKIT HERE!!

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http://www.tokyopia.com/reviews.asp?reviewsid=40


I've taken the DOAX impressions down for now, despite them being hugely positive, and greatly liked by TEAM NINJA, developers of the game itself.

Apparently, the IGN Network whined to Tecmo USA that my impressions compromised their 'web rights' (hilarious) to coverage of DOAX.

My thanks to Osada (director) and Itagaki (producer) at Team Ninja, as well as Tsutsumi at Tecmo Japan for their kindness, time, and for being extremely cool and open with all their projects. These people represent the good guys in the industry.

And my thanks to IGN, for reminding us why exactly the world of online video game reportage is descending into an ugly, political hell where little can be trusted or taken at face value anymore.

Glad that fans of DOAX enjoyed the impressions while they were hosted. You guys won't be disappointed!

-Justin


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Somehow IGN seems to be the most uberest site on the net and they have to hassle everyone. Why Tecmo agreed with them is beyond me. But I never read anything from IGN about such detail in the game. Only trash vagueness. IGN suck, they bug me even when I'm not at their site, and I swear to god everyone who supports them by giving them money so that the useless, annoying, misinformed on many occasions, trash site can stay up...oh I dont know. Get your priorities straight and go to sites that actually give beter news. IGN is like the AOL of video games. Annoying and there.

Seska
11-15-2002, 02:10 PM
Its bad enough that IGN exist, when all they do is lick the developers ass to get more "exclusives", its worse after reading this, that they are trying to force the public to read only their "exclusives" when others are giving the same, or even better information for free. Whatever happened to freedom of speech on the net?

Every day IGN disgusts me more - sod off and try forcing your poor excuse for videogame journalism down someone elses throat.

Kid0_oIcarus
11-15-2002, 02:13 PM
I'd just like to point out that I've never "devoured" anyone before, nor do I have plans to in the future.

Jeez, you know how many people don't bathe regularly? It's disgusting.

That is all.

ATMA
11-15-2002, 02:20 PM
I'm on the same page as Alucard and Seska. I stopped going there like 2,5 yrs ago, their the worst of the worst..and normaly i don't mind or even think about them ..but by the look of it, it appears no matter what, you still feel their "influence" and what they did here is wrong!

Ign insider: Total crap, can't believe that thing is still alive. Shame on those that pays for insider! Everything inthere will be out on other site within a few days or most of the time at the same day! Shame shame shame .

conclusion: it's bad enough that we got some people stealing cars and blaming it on GTA .and now we got a gamesite that's turning it's back on the gamers by shutting down their freedom of speech! And force people to pay for something that will be out no matter what!

BAH ..luckaly there's alot of other independent site on the net! Ign can't touch them!

Robo Halloween
11-16-2002, 12:12 AM
IGN blows goats hard, I've seen them. It has to be the first site I stopped visiting for news when I first got internet access, followed by GameSpot.

Now, its all about the MagicBox!:D

But does anyone remember Daily Radar? That site kicked ass! Too bad they had to shut it down.

Twelve
11-16-2002, 04:36 PM
Daily Radar dropped? Dang, that IS sad.
As for IGN, I liked them back in the day because they did comic reviews, but I'll NEVER pay to look at what I can find for free.

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Robo Halloween
11-16-2002, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by Nicole's Sky
Daily Radar dropped?

Yeah, it did. Since...last year! YEARGHH!!

Alucard
11-17-2002, 04:23 AM
You should probably check out Gamespy then if you liked Raider. Its sorta like it but better in my opinion. Excellent site.

Kid0_oIcarus
11-18-2002, 12:06 PM
Gamespy is nothing like teh Radar!

Though the Radar was notorious for getting things mixed up and backwards.. they were funny. I really liked their site. Especially their picture of the day.. those were hilarious. Plus they kept track of community things too, like AYB.

...The good ole' days...

xXx Beaver xXx
11-19-2002, 02:45 AM
I agree with you. I dont want to have to pay to hear some news on new games. :mad:

I could buy a magazine and do that. :mad:








- Triple X Beaver :spinface:

Olm52
11-19-2002, 09:02 AM
I dont really mind IGN. they have the best reviews. all the news. and they're just trying to make some money. you cant blame them for being succesful.

Alucard
11-19-2002, 11:09 AM
Best reviews? They have the most contradicting reviews of any site I've ever seen. They either speak trash or drool all over something for little reason. Heres an exaple for you... This is from the RE0 review

Lasting Appeal
As usual, there are enough hidden goodies to keep coming back for more. 6.

I'm sorry... When I see something like that I sort of expect more then a 6. 6 is like getting an extra outfit. And thats only one example. A very small one. They have HEAPS of retarded closing comments. I'm sure if I picked 5 games at random of things I've played I'd be able to find countless silly comments all through. They are one of the worst sites out there. And if any of you mugs out there are paying for the site to still be alive, I fart in your general direction. I'd rather ask the village idiot his opinion of a game then IGN. At least then I'd get a coherent answer.

Seska
11-19-2002, 11:16 AM
Ign have the best reviews? Well, thats probably a matter of opinion, though in MY opinion, if you stuck a pen up a monkeys ass and have him randomly wriggle it over a sheet of paper, you would get a better "review" and most of the stuff the IGN apes come up with.

So they try to charge you for their crap? Thats fine, I dont have to pay them if I dont want to read their trash. Some people do, some dont, thats okay.

But its NOT okay when Ign decide to close their grubby fingers around other website's necks, claiming "exclusivity". They are messing with freedom opf speech, FORCING readers to consume their hogswill, and that pisses me off. They deserve a slow and painful death.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 11:28 AM
if IGN have paid for exclusive preview rights to DOAX, then its their right to make you swallow their hogswill, and noone elses.

Seska
11-19-2002, 11:38 AM
The matter of fact is that the previewer was in contact with Tecmo Japan and the actual developers of DOAX when he offered his preview, before IGN got all pissy and whined about it to Tecmo USA.

Maybe your ideal picture of web-journalism is having everyone eating from the same trough of garbage, but I dont see why IGN should be breathing down this guys neck for putting up TEXT abotu what he thought of the game. Thats right, not pics, just his OPINION.

People who fund IGN to continue using their crap politicking way of remaining on top of free journalism through the use of money, deserve to be put down. It is NO ONES right to tell you to shut up on your opinion, regardless or not that they have paid money to to voice theirs.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 11:53 AM
If you paid for exclusive rights to a game and then had some of your audience taken away by another sites impressions wouldnt you just be a bit annoyed? Those guys at IGN make money depending on how many people go to their site each day, IGN is thier jobs, and if they dont make that money then theyre screwed. The guys at tokyopia on the other hand just do it for fun. Who do you think is more affected?

Alucard
11-19-2002, 12:02 PM
I dont know about paying. Alot of other big name game review sites have info on the game and you dont see IGN attacking them. Mainly because they know they'll lose. They go after the smaller guy who actually gives WAY MORE DETAILED info about the game then IGN has in the past 4 months.

OR I can go to the DOAX official website.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 12:06 PM
a lot of sites have probably paid for the rights. Im sure none of them want tokyopia publishing impressions about the game.

Seska
11-19-2002, 12:06 PM
:haha:

If IGN are worried about one guy's preview, it must speak great amounts of the lacking quality in IGN's own articles.

Wake up and smell the coffee. Do a search for "DOAX preview" on Google and count the number of sites that preview the game. Most of them offer pics, Tokyopia didnt. IT was just one guy who managed to get in touch with the Japanese Tecmo developers and got their feedback on things, and IGN didnt like that one bit.

If you want the pics and the media, sure, sign up to Insider or Gamespot, but dont force me to read your poor journalism becasue you cant stand the idea that other people can be resourceful and get in touch with the developers for info as well.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 12:16 PM
yeah theres 314 of them. and most of them are only pics. I couldnt see any impressions there. And thats what IGN was concerned about. The impressions. IGN(and other sites) has probably payed for the rights to write impressions about it and doesnt like the fact that another site, which hasnt paid has put impressions up where everyone can see them.

Seska
11-19-2002, 12:37 PM
Oh, so lets say I get hold of a copy of the game at a trade show and play it some, and post my opinion on these boards... Ign has the right to contact Admin and delete my opinion?

In the famous Monthy Python words: "Help! Help! I'm being repressed!"

Please, do continue defending IGN and their quest to staunch freedom of speech. With each lame attemt at doing so, you ridiculize yourself further.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 12:42 PM
knowing IGN they probably would. And im sure the Admin would delete it as well.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 12:47 PM
'the IGN Network has exclusive 'web rights' to any commentary or impressions of DOAX'

As IGN has obviously bought the rights of Tecmo its the only thing they're going to do. impressions like that have a habit of spreading across the internet.

It is IGN's right to defend its exclusitivity over impressions of DOAX, dont have a cry because theyre trying to protect their rights. if you want to complain write hate mail to Tecmo instead for selling the rights to IGN.

Seska
11-19-2002, 01:44 PM
IT seems you STILL dont get it, do you? I am not debating wether IGN ahs the legal right to stop other journalists from voicing their opinions - by now tis pretty apparent that they do, money grants them that power. Otherwise we weould still be able to read the DOAX impressions from Tokyopia.

My argument is that IGN's actions are ethically questionable. Perhaps your view of an utopian society is a socialist kind where everything is obtained from the same source, and only the people with money have the power to control the flow of information, but I think competitive journalism is an excellent way to keep articles at a high standard. Cut out the competition, and why bother keeping the standards high? People will be forced to read your stuff anyway, wether its quality or trash.

Its a sad day for web journalism that I am even DEBATING with someone wether its ethically correct to shut someones opinion up just cause you have the money to do so. Its even sadder that you continue defending IGN and supporting their journalistic policies.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 01:51 PM
Why is it sad for me to defend my own beliefs? maybe its sad for you to just not accept them. And even if it is ethically questionable the practice has been going on for decades throughout other forms of media. Noone complains about that do they? An example would be this British Butler in the Tabloids. If a website decided to post transcripts of the interveiws to which the tabloid held the rights, and then the tabloid stopped them from doing so would it be ethically questionable? no of course it wouldn't.

Seska
11-19-2002, 02:07 PM
Originally posted by Olm52
An example would be this British Butler in the Tabloids. If a website decided to post transcripts of the interveiws to which the tabloid held the rights, and then the tabloid stopped them from doing so would it be ethically questionable? no of course it wouldn't.

Correct, because that is copyright infringement. Tokyopia posted OPINIONS. Not copyrighted screenshots, or exclusive intervies. They were the comments of a guy that got a chance at playing the game.

I dont see The Daily Mirror suing all the other tabloids that reported that the Butler was making statements to another paper?

You seem a little hazy on the subejct so I shall clarify - it certainly is NOT okay for someone to copy IGN insiders impressions and post them as their own. It is called plagiarism and it is against the law. However, I DO have the right to go to any given BBS and say "I think this game will rock because of soandso" or "I think this game will suck because of soandso".

It is SAD that you defend the big company pushing down a persons right to voice their opinion, and it is further SAD that you dont understand WHY it is sad. Dont get me wrong, I respect your opinion to say what you please - that is the whole point of my argument. But I bet you wouldnt be pleased if someone came, deleted all your threads and forbade you of posting any longer because they paid someone to have exlcusive rights on your opinions.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 02:15 PM
its not their OPINIONS however. theyre opinion would be something like this 'this game rocks, but the multiplayer could be better' what they posted were impressions, a full breakdown of the game. Thats what IGN had the exclusive rights to. Take not that even Tokyopia didnt state that it was their opinion. they said it was their impressions of the game. Impressions are a hell of a lot different from an opinion.

Seska
11-19-2002, 02:35 PM
Very well, lets go into semantics, shall we?

o?pin?ion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-pnyn) n.
1. A judgment based on special knowledge and given by an expert
2. A judgment or estimation of the merit of a person or thing

im?pres?sion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-prshn) n.
1. An effect, feeling, or image retained as a consequence of experience.


Under what category does what Tokyopop posted fall? I think you will find that it falls under both. Maybe if the Tokyopop guy hated spots games, his opinion-slash-impression was that the game sucks. But he liked it. It is his OPINION. Look the word up in the dictionary, you cannot express your impression of something without giving an opinion on it. And his opinion, his expression of his IMPRESSIONS were censored by IGN.

Need any more english lessons? Buy a dictionary.

Olm52
11-19-2002, 02:50 PM
The dictionary definiton of impressions and the gaming definitions are very different AS YOU WELL KNOW. go to planetgamecube.com, go to gamespot, go to gamespy. they all have impressions, that *surprisingly enough* that dont match the dictionary definitions. the tokyopia impressions, do not match up with the dictionary definition, but the match up with the use of the term in a gaming sense. In a gaming sense an opinion is very different from an impression. Tokyopia published Impressions. they therefore violated the rights of IGN. its as simple as that.

Seska
11-19-2002, 03:20 PM
"In terms of art quality, the graphics are on a par with Marvel's work, and if I was to make any comparisons I'd say that Warcraft III is to games what The Lord of the Rings is to Hollywood movies. I know, a bold statement. But, we're talking about pure artistic (unique) value of the design, and by God, Blizzard's latest work's got plenty of that."

Taken from http://www.actiontrip.com/reviews/warcraft3reignofchaos_p.phtml - Warcraft 3, FIRST IMPRESSIONS. It sounds like an opinion to me.

Want another? From IGN itself:

"Crimson Skies is a rarity in the gaming industry. There are very few games as stylish as this one is and you really owe it to yourself to try it out."

http://pc.ign.com/articles/085/085149p1.html

Another opinion - its his opinion that the game is a rarity and everyone should buy it (funny how IGN reviewers say that about most games).

Do you understand? What we call videogame "impressions" are opinions based of a brief experience of a game. Reviews are opinions based on an extended experience of a game.

Call it whatever you want, Tokyopia's article was one guys opinion of an upcoming game. I have the right to say whatever the hell I WANT and anywhere about something I tried. Im not plagarising any one. Im not copying or stealing content. If I write my opinion on something, its is MY opinion and not anyone elses, and because someone bought the rights to a certain topic, does not mean I have no right to voice my opinion on it.

How about the Us government buys the right to exclusive opinion on taxes? No one would be able to say anything about taxes anymore since the government could sue them for it. An extreme example, but comparable. Do you find it correct? And stop arguing about IGN's right to do it or not, it is clear that the law is on their side. But dont talk as if they were protecting their interests from some guy who VIOLATED their rights, no, they are just using money and a corrupt system to SHUT SOMEONE UP.

Kid0_oIcarus
11-19-2002, 05:49 PM
You guys are funny. To give your impression on anything, you have to have formed an opinion on the subject.

Now I don't believe IGN actually shut them down, they just complained to Tecmo. This site heard of the complaints and so without explicitly being asked to, removed the offending content.
If they had no problem removing it, save for some grumbling, why take up their cause?

Yet, wether or not IGN was in the right doing what they did, they still come off as dicks.

Seska
11-20-2002, 03:47 AM
Originally posted by Kid0_oIcarus
You guys are funny. To give your impression on anything, you have to have formed an opinion on the subject.

Originally posted by Seska
you cannot express your impression of something without giving an opinion on it.

Its what I have been saying all along, Olm seems to have his own little definition of the word, however. :p

Olm52
11-20-2002, 04:33 AM
Of course you have to give your opinion. but what tokyopia did was give its impressions. a short concise preview of the game saying about all its fuctions etc. did you actually read the impressions before it was taken down?

Alucard
11-20-2002, 05:33 AM
Olm, I'm not too sure you've noticed what the point of this thread is. Since you popped up yesterday you've nearly accumulated 100 posts. Theres a point to quality posts and a point to spamming the same stuff over and over again which you are doing here. Listen closely..

This thread is about why we dont like IGN. If you want to make it the 'Lets praise IGN or say nice things about them' thread, then be my guest. This is for trash talking them.

Yes I have read the post tokyo people put up. It was an excellent article on what they saw while the game was on test. Where ALOT of others saw the game also. And obviously a little inside info from other sources. It described in brief detail the friendship system, the way the other players react to you and how to fix that by presents and such. It didn't go into huge detail about everything in the game, just the basics. Something IGN HAVE NOT done.

Lets get this point settled here and now. I doubt IGN paid for any form of exclusive. IF they did they other sites like gamespy, gamespot, and lord knows who else, wouldn't have news and pictures up there on their own sites. Every picture on the net would be IGNs and noone would be allowed to use them. Noone else would have different pictures. What they probably meant by 'web rights' is that IGN is a business that reports game news. Tokyo lot are not a business, therefore IGN feel threatened. Hence their retarded web rights thing.

And if you think IGN have reason to protect this so called web right, remeber that Famitsu, and other japanese sites and magazines, have more BRAND NEW info and pictures then IGN. Does that mean IGN can go and hassle Famitsu? I'd love to see that happen. IGN bullied a site. Thats not the main reason I think they are trash and not needed on the net. I hate them for the main reason that they actually make you pay to see their below average 6 page reviews of games they either COMPLETELY hype up and love every single retarded aspect, or blast good games and give them low scores because of some stupid reason like...oooh whats one I can think up.. Oh yes. Macross game for the Dreamcast. They complained there was little sense of movement while in the sky. Well thats no surprise really considering in the sky theres no FREAKIN LANDMARKS to judge your speed. They piss me off and get under my skin. Please go praise them elsewhere. This is a negative thread and I'd like it to stay like that.

Olm52
11-20-2002, 05:54 AM
not even tokyopia tries to call it their Opinion they mention it as a preview and as impressions.

From IGN:

"Okay guys. STOP. BREAK. PAUSE.

Bitch about subscription-locked content and cranky editors all you like, but don't blame us for stuff we didn't do.

FACT: Nobody at IGN contacted Tecmo or Tokyopia to have the content removed. Nobody.

FACT: IGN does not pay publishers for content. Publishers don't pay IGN for articles (they do, however, pay for ads and contests).

FACT: IGN and Tecmo have sat down and worked out a publishing schedule for coverage of their games. We do this with many companies -- and it's exactly what magazines do as well (you don't decide a day ahead of what you're gonna put on your cover).

I can only imagine that after inviting Tokyopia over to play the game, someone at Tecmo said "oh, no, wait! IGN is supposed to have the first hands-on impressions of the game on day X". Or they simply decided that the timing was too early for hands-on impressions since the game was delayed. I don't know what the reasoning is, but please don't blame us for other people's decisions.

I am very disappointed that we're the subject of a long thread of messages that condemn us for being corporate assholes, sell-outs, as well as being blamed in a post on Tokyopia for something we simply HAVE NOT DONE.

Justin, you know me and you know my e-mail address. I am disappointed that you did not contact any of us before posting such a negative and untrue statement about us.

PLEASE, guys! There are so many rumors on the web, at least try to verify some of them before you add us to your monster list.

Thanks for reading,

Peer
IGN.com"

Alucard
11-20-2002, 06:53 AM
Originally posted by Olm52

FACT: Nobody at IGN contacted Tecmo or Tokyopia to have the content removed. Nobody.

FACT: IGN does not pay publishers for content. Publishers don't pay IGN for articles (they do, however, pay for ads and contests).

FACT: IGN and Tecmo have sat down and worked out a publishing schedule for coverage of their games. We do this with many companies -- and it's exactly what magazines do as well (you don't decide a day ahead of what you're gonna put on your cover).




What, a letter from some IGN guy is supposed to impress me? The hell with that. They're full of so much BS it isn't funny. Unless they are proven wrong and found out, they will usually dance around the edges of reality and make themselves look like the hurt party.

As for those points above? I expect the first fact is a half truth. I believe someone from IGN would have emailed Tecmo about the site, showing them that news was there. They dont have to ask to take it down. As if Tecmo scans the web for news. IGN on the other hand has many lackies who wishto be moderators on those Insider boards. I've seen it done before so its no surprise.

Second and third fact, as I said before I pretty much doubted IGN had paid for the exclusive rights, like it been argued here. Which I said was wrong. But if IGN have such a cosy relationship with Tecmo then please explain to me why Famistu has ALWAYS had more brand new exclusive screenshots and info of the game then IGN has? Whats that? IGN going to make another bullshit excuse for this point? Heres 3 of my facts that made me forever hate IGN and everything they claim to be the truth..

FACT!: IGN reported EXCLUSIVE news that Thief 3 and Deus Ex 2 were console exclusives only for 1 year. Mainly PS2. Because they PERSONALLY SPOKE TO AN ION STORM REP!

FACT!: Hardcore fans of the Thief and Deus Ex games from the PC gamers side of thing went mental. Emails sent to IGN, emails sent to Eidos telling them what they could do with their games for screwing over the fanbase that made those games popular, and also a petition that in 3 days had racked up close to 5000 posts telling Eidos they were not going to buy it if it wasn't on PC.

FACT: IGN, after a few emails from Eidos, came out and said in an important bulletin that the Deus Ex and Thief news was not true. That their rep misheard. NO APOLOGY for being USELESS BASTARDS.

I'm sorry but if you say you heard a rep say something, then later go and change what you say to contradict this and not even try to say 'Yes we are sorry for being useless and getting it wrong and misleading alot of fans', instead of their lame excuse of wires being crossed, then I'm sorry. I will take their humourous pun they made 'IGNorant', to USELESS LYING BASTARDS.

Theres so many more things I could bring up to show how useless and full of crap they are, like the time they mentioned of an awesome game they got to see behind closed doors, but the real story was the gaming studio that was supposed to show this couldn't because of technical problems so in fact they never showed a thing. IGN want to be the best. They will make up news if they have to and god forbid anyone thats a small fan site post more news then them. I say STUFF YOU IGN and get lost. I've had a gutful with your useless words that mean little.